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WNC (2025 - Q2)

Release Date: Jul 25, 2025

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Current Financial Performance

Wabash Q2 2025 Financial Highlights

$459 million
Revenue
-$0.15
Adjusted EPS
-$6.1 million
Net Income
9%
Gross Margin

Key Financial Metrics

Adjusted EBITDA

$16 million

3.6% of sales

Operating Income - Transportation Solutions

$13 million

Operating Income - Parts & Services

$9.1 million

Shipments - Trailers

8,640 units

Shipments - Truck Bodies

3,190 units

Liquidity

$312 million

Net Debt Leverage Ratio

6.2x

Capital Expenditures

$6 million

Traditional CapEx Q2

Share Repurchases

$10.4 million

Dividends Paid

$3.4 million

Period Comparison Analysis

Revenue

$459 million
Current
Previous:$381 million
20.5% QoQ

Revenue

$459 million
Current
Previous:$551 million
16.7% YoY

Gross Margin

9%
Current
Previous:5%
80% QoQ

Gross Margin

9%
Current
Previous:16.3%
44.8% YoY

Adjusted EBITDA

$16 million
Current
Previous:-$9 million
77.8% QoQ

Adjusted EBITDA

$16 million
Current
Previous:$62 million
74.2% YoY

Adjusted Net Income

-$6.1 million
Current
Previous:-$24.8 million
75.4% QoQ

Adjusted Net Income

-$6.1 million
Current
Previous:$29 million
79% YoY

Operating Margin

0%
Current
Previous:-7.2%

Operating Margin

0%
Current
Previous:7.9%

Transportation Solutions Revenue

$400 million
Current
Previous:$347 million
15.3% QoQ

Parts & Services Revenue

$60 million
Current
Previous:$55 million
9.1% YoY

Parts & Services Operating Income

$9.1 million
Current
Previous:$12.1 million
24.8% YoY

Earnings Performance & Analysis

Q2 2025 Revenue vs Guidance

Actual:$459 million
Estimate:$420 million to $460 million
MISS

Q2 2025 Adjusted EPS vs Guidance

Actual:-$0.15
Estimate:-$0.20 to -$0.30
MISS

Financial Guidance & Outlook

2025 Revenue Guidance

$1.6 billion

Reduced from prior outlook

2025 Adjusted EPS Guidance

-$1 to -$1.30

Reduced from prior outlook

Q3 2025 Revenue Guidance

$390 million to $430 million

Q3 2025 EPS Guidance

-$0.20 to -$0.30

2025 Traditional CapEx Guidance

$30 million to $40 million

2025 TaaS Investment YTD

$21 million

Surprises

Revenue Beat

$459 million

In the second quarter, our consolidated revenue was $459 million, slightly better than expectations, resulting in a revenue on the top end of our $420 million to $460 million guidance range.

Adjusted Net Income Beat

negative $6.1 million

Adjusted net income attributable to common stockholders was negative $6.1 million or negative $0.15 per diluted share, beating expectations due to slightly higher revenue and cost containment actions throughout the quarter.

Parts and Services Revenue Growth

8.8%

8.8% year-over-year

Parts and Services segment grew 15% sequentially and 8.8% year-over-year in Q2, with EBITDA margins returning to the high teens.

Third-Party Trailer Forecast Drop

13%

13%

In Q2, third-party trailer forecast dropped by roughly 13% for 2025, and our updated guidance reflects this sentiment.

Backlog Decline

$1 billion

Wabash's backlog declined to approximately $1 billion at the end of Q2, reflecting muted demand and customer wait-and-see behavior.

Upfit Unit Growth

Nearly doubled year-over-year

Our upfit team is on pace to almost double units year-over-year, completing 962 units year-to-date and planning to exceed 2,000 units in 2025.

Impact Quotes

Even in a softer environment for equipment demand, our parts and services business continued to deliver growth in Q2.

Parts and Services sits squarely between our First to Final Mile equipment portfolio and the connected support that keeps those assets running day in and day out.

Our organizational structure was intentionally designed to support agility and resiliency through the economic cycles.

We expect to be near free cash flow breakeven for 2025, excluding our capital investments in Trailers as a Service.

Upfit offerings let us deliver fully tailored equipment in just a couple of weeks, combining the scale of truck body production with the deep customer intimacy that defines parts and services.

Pricing for 2026 orders will need to be adjusted to reflect the rising cost environment.

The transportation market environment remains under pressure rather than any product-specific or segment-driven softness.

The adjusted net income beat expectations due to slightly higher revenue and cost containment actions throughout the quarter.

Notable Topics Discussed

  • Broader market conditions remain softer than anticipated, with increased hesitation in capital decision-making among customers.
  • Industry analysts have lowered forecasts for the remainder of 2025, with several carriers revising CapEx plans downward.
  • Wabash's organizational structure was designed for agility and resiliency, allowing proactive cost management and maintaining momentum in parts and services despite market softness.
  • Parts and Services grew 8.8% YoY in Q2, with EBITDA margins returning to high teens, reinforcing its role as a stable, high-margin business.
  • Expansion of the parts and services network, including new PPN locations (over 110), and initiatives like Trailers as a Service (TaaS) and preferred parts network.
  • The upfit business doubled units in Q2 (406 units in Q1, 556 in Q2), with plans to exceed 2,000 units in 2025 and grow further in 2026.
  • TaaS is expanding through signing new customers and integrating advanced features like real-time tracking, predictive analytics, and automated billing, with over 1,000 trailers in the fleet.
  • The TrailerHawk acquisition accelerated the TaaS technology roadmap, including app updates and new features for capacity reservation and real-time asset tracking.
  • Preparation for market upturn with digital and physical infrastructure to ramp TaaS when demand recovers.
  • Wabash filed a notice of appeal in April, posted an appeal bond, and continues to pursue legal options for a more reasonable outcome.
  • Management emphasizes confidence in the safety and integrity of their products and the legal position.
  • Reduced revenue outlook to approximately $1.6 billion and EPS to -$1 to -$1.30, reflecting a $200 million revenue decrease and $0.55 EPS reduction from prior guidance.
  • Market-driven decline in volumes, with third-party trailer forecast down 13% for 2025.
  • Cost containment efforts have offset about $0.25 of EPS decline, emphasizing disciplined expense management.
  • Key factor for 2026 order recovery is capacity exiting the market, with customers aligning capital deployment to replacement levels.
  • Industry efficiency gains via technology like AI are not currently significant; market inefficiencies still dominate.
  • Early signs suggest a potential return to growth in 2026 if market stability and freight subsectors improve.
  • Despite tariff noise and market softness, Wabash maintained stable production and market share, leveraging cost reduction efforts.
  • Customer discussions indicate a focus on maintaining margins and avoiding further fleet underinvestment, which could influence future demand.
  • Average sales price (ASP) declined 9% sequentially and 13% YoY, primarily due to mix changes (more dry vans, fewer tanks).
  • Excluding mix effects, ASP was relatively flat, indicating pricing stability on a like-for-like basis.
  • Higher shipments in June (8,640 trailers) were influenced by timing and cash collection considerations.
  • Overall, the shipment volume exceeded expectations, with a focus on managing working capital and supply chain stability.
  • Management views current market conditions as possibly the worst phase ('darkest days'), with optimism that a rebound could occur if certain economic or industry-specific triggers happen.
  • Customer behavior shows cautious optimism, with some willingness to increase spending if freight rates and capacity constraints improve.

Key Insights:

  • Cost containment actions partially offset EPS impact by approximately $0.25.
  • For 2026, Wabash is cautiously optimistic for a return to growth assuming market stability and no further deterioration in business or consumer sentiment.
  • Free cash flow excluding Trailers as a Service investment is expected to be near breakeven by year-end after a negative $31 million first half.
  • Q3 2025 guidance is revenue of $390 million to $430 million and EPS of minus $0.20 to minus $0.30.
  • The company is actively engaging customers and preparing quotes for 2026 demand.
  • The reduction is driven by softer market demand and a 13% drop in third-party trailer forecast for 2025.
  • Traditional CapEx guidance for 2025 is reduced to $30 million to $40 million, excluding Trailers as a Service investments.
  • Wabash reduced 2025 revenue guidance to approximately $1.6 billion and EPS to a range of minus $1 to minus $1.30, reflecting a $200 million revenue and $0.55 EPS reduction from prior midpoint.
  • Acquisition of TrailerHawk accelerated TaaS technology roadmap, with version 1.2 app launched enabling real-time asset tracking and capacity reservation.
  • Parts and Services segment grew 15% sequentially and 8.8% year-over-year in Q2, with EBITDA margins returning to the high teens.
  • Preferred Partner Network (PPN) expanded to over 110 locations with 29 added in first half 2025, targeting 300 points of service and parts distribution.
  • Pricing adjustments are expected for 2026 orders to reflect rising input costs.
  • Trailers as a Service (TaaS) continues to sign shippers, carriers, and brokers, bundling trailers with maintenance, telematics, and repair management.
  • Two new upfit centers are opening in Northwest Indiana and Atlanta to expand strategic market presence.
  • Upfit business nearly doubled units year-over-year, with 962 units completed year-to-date and plans to exceed 2,000 units in 2025.
  • Wabash maintains 95% domestic sourcing and U.S.-based manufacturing to mitigate supply chain inflationary pressures.
  • Brent discussed ongoing legal matters related to a 2019 motor vehicle accident and confidence in the company's legal position.
  • Brent expressed confidence in parts and services as a key driver of long-term stability and growth.
  • Brent highlighted the strategic foresight in reshaping Wabash for agility and resiliency through economic cycles.
  • CEO Brent Yeagy emphasized employee dedication and resilience amid industry challenges and softer economic conditions.
  • CFO Pat Keslin highlighted disciplined capital allocation, cost containment, and maintaining liquidity to navigate the current environment.
  • Chief Growth Officer Mike Pettit described parts and services as a higher-margin, steadier growth engine and detailed expansion initiatives.
  • He acknowledged the need for pricing adjustments in 2026 due to inflation but stressed commitment to transparency with customers.
  • He noted that the transportation market softness is industry-wide, not product-specific.
  • Brent and Pat explained the sequential drop in average sales price was mix-driven, with more dry vans and fewer tanks affecting ASP.
  • Brent described the current market as possibly the darkest part of the trailer cycle but emphasized the potential for a strong rebound if conditions stabilize.
  • Brent does not see significant efficiency gains from technology currently impacting fleet size or asset utilization.
  • Brent expressed satisfaction with Q2 production continuity despite tariff-related disruptions, expecting market share gains.
  • CFO Pat Keslin confirmed traditional CapEx guidance excludes Trailers as a Service investments, which totaled about $21 million in first half 2025.
  • Jeff Kauffman asked about the split between market-driven losses and new business investments; Pat confirmed losses are mostly market-driven with some SG&A for growth initiatives.
  • Mike Pettit expects parts and services growth to continue into 2026, driven by upfit and PPN expansion, with second half 2025 potentially 20% better than first half.
  • On 2026 outlook, Brent noted capacity exiting the market as the key factor for order rate recovery, with customers expecting a return to replacement-level capital deployment.
  • Capital allocation priorities remain disciplined and growth-oriented, balancing maintenance CapEx, dividends, share repurchases, and strategic M&A.
  • The company is preparing physical and digital capabilities to ramp Trailers as a Service when market conditions improve.
  • The company is proactively managing costs in Transportation Solutions to align with reduced demand.
  • The company posted a notice of appeal and bond related to a 2019 motor vehicle accident legal matter.
  • Wabash's 95% domestic sourcing and U.S.-based manufacturing footprint help insulate from some supply chain volatility.
  • Wabash's backlog declined to approximately $1 billion at the end of Q2, reflecting muted demand and customer wait-and-see behavior.
  • PPN expansion led by industry veteran Dan Millar is accelerating parts distribution and repair turnaround.
  • TaaS bundles trailers with preventative maintenance, telematics, and repair management, allowing customers to focus on freight movement.
  • The company is focused on operational efficiency and cost discipline to offset inflationary pressures without immediate price increases.
  • The parts and services segment acts as connective tissue between equipment portfolio and support services, creating durable financial improvements.
  • TrailerHawk app enhancements include predictive analytics alerts and automated billing to convert data into measurable savings.
  • Upfit offerings combine truck body production scale with customer intimacy, enabling tailored equipment delivery in weeks.
  • Wabash expects parts and services to play an increasingly larger role in earnings and cash flow generation.
  • Wabash is monitoring market signals closely and maintaining alignment with customers as planning for 2026 progresses.
Complete Transcript:
WNC:2025 - Q2
Operator:
Thank you for standing by. My name is Jeannie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Wabash Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Jacob Page. Please go ahead. Jacob Pa
Jacob Page:
Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us on this call. With me today are Brent Yeagy, President and Chief Executive Officer; Pat Keslin, Chief Financial Officer; and Mike Pettit, Chief Growth Officer. Before we get started, please note that this call is being recorded. I'd also like to point out that our earnings release, the slide presentation supplementing today's call and any non-GAAP reconciliations are available at ir.onewabash.com. Please refer to Slide 2 in our earnings deck for the company's safe harbor disclosure addressing forward-looking statements. I'll now hand it off to Brent.
Brent L. Yeagy:
Thanks, Jay. Before we dive into the quarter, I want to take a moment to thank our incredible team. Things continue to be challenged across the industry, and I'm continually inspired by the dedication, resilience and heart our employees bring to their work, whether it's supporting our customers, helping each other or finding new ways to move the business forward, their efforts are what keep Wabash strong, and we're truly grateful. As we reflect on the second quarter, the broader market dynamics we observed earlier in the year have largely persisted. Economic conditions remain softer than anticipated at the start of 2025, with customers continuing to report increased hesitation in capital decision-making. The slowdown is creating a ripple effect across the industry, contributing to more cautious behavior and tempered activity levels. Industry analysts have continued to lower their forecast for the remainder of the year, and for this quarter, we saw additional confirmation as several carriers revised their CapEx plans downward. These trends reflect a transportation market environment that remains under pressure rather than any product-specific or segment-driven softness. While the current climate brings headwinds, it also highlights the strategic foresight behind the way we have reshaped Wabash over the past several years. Our organizational structure was intentionally designed to support agility and resiliency through the economic cycles. In our Transportation Solutions business, we're proactively managing costs to align with reduced demand. At the same time, we're maintaining momentum in parts and services, which once again delivered year-over-year revenue growth this quarter. This continued outperformance in parts and services reinforces our confidence in its role as a key driver of long-term stability and growth. By integrating these offerings more deeply with our equipment solutions, we believe we're laying the foundation for a more balanced business that can perform through varying market conditions. Even in a softer environment for equipment demand, our parts and services business continued to deliver growth in Q2. I want to highlight a couple of wins from the quarter that speak to the momentum we're building. First, congratulations to our upfit team for another record quarter. Their efforts continue to drive significant growth as we are on pace to almost double units year-over-year. We also made meaningful progress with our Trailers as a Service and preferred parts network initiatives, both of which continue to gain traction as we expand our offerings. Mike will share more details shortly, but these developments are strong indicators of how parts and services is helping bring greater balance and resilience to the broader Wabash portfolio as we scale. We continue to monitor inflationary pressures across our supply chain. While our 95% domestic sourcing and U.S.-based manufacturing footprint have helped insulate us from some of the volatility others are experiencing, we're not entirely immune to cost increases, particularly in key inputs and services. To date, we've been successful in holding off on price adjustments, and we remain focused on operational efficiency and cost discipline to offset as much pressure as possible. However, based on the current trajectory, we expect that pricing for 2026 orders will need to be adjusted to reflect the rising cost environment. As always, we're committed to communicating transparently with customers and providing as much lead time as possible. We're continuing to deliver the value and reliability they come to expect from Wabash. Now to briefly touch on the ongoing legal matter stemming from a 2019 motor vehicle accident. In April, we filed a notice of appeal and posted the necessary appeal bond as we continue to pursue all available legal options to achieve a more reasonable outcome. We want to reiterate that we stand firmly behind the safety and integrity of our products and remain confident in our ultimate legal position. Turning to the broader market environment. Demand remains muted across the trailer industry. Industry forecasters have continued to revise their outlook downward, and recent updates now suggest that 2025 shipment volumes will fall well below basic replacement demand. This prolonged softness is reflected in our own backlog, which declined to approximately $1 billion at the end of Q2. While that's not unexpected given the current landscape, it's clear that customers continue to take a wait-and-see approach to capital spending. For now, we've undertaken a reassessment of 2025 and now expect midpoints of $1.6 billion in revenue and negative $1.15 of adjusted EPS. Even with the revised guidance, we still expect to be near free cash flow breakeven for 2025, excluding our capital investments in Trailers as a Service. While our order book for 2026 is not yet open, we're actively engaged in conversations with customers and preparing quotes for next year's demand. Based on those early discussions and current industry forecast, we're cautiously optimistic that 2026 will reflect a return to growth. Of course, the outlook assumes relative stability in the broader environment. If we avoid further deterioration in business and consumer sentiment, we believe 2026 has the potential to align with current growth expectations. As always, we'll continue to monitor market signals closely and stay in close alignment with our customers as planning progresses. I'll now turn the call over to Mike for his comments.
Michael N. Pettit:
Thanks, Brent. Over the past couple of years, we've talked about turning parts and services into a steadier, higher-margin engine within Wabash. The first half of 2025 proves we are continuing to deliver on that strategy. Parts and Services sits squarely between our First to Final Mile equipment portfolio and the connected support that keeps those assets running day in and day out. Think of this expanding Parts and Services segment as the connective tissue that combines our equipment portfolio with best-in-class partners across distribution, digital, maintenance and repair. Together, we're not only moving faster, we're layering in entirely new forms of customer value, creating durable improvements in Wabash's financial performance. In the second quarter alone, the segment grew 15% sequentially and 8.8% year-over-year, while seeing EBITDA margins return to the high teens, right where we believe this business can perform on a sustainable basis. Keep in mind, this has all been done right into the teeth of a very difficult market backdrop, showing this growth is indeed structural and will provide stability for the enterprise for years to come. One of the clearest proof points behind the parts and services momentum is our upfit business. Our upfit offerings let us deliver fully tailored equipment in just a couple of weeks, combining the scale of truck body production with the deep customer intimacy that defines parts and services. To put hard numbers around that, last year, we completed approximately 1,100 upfit units. This year, we doubled first quarter throughput to 406 units and added another 556 in the second quarter, bringing the year-to-date unit count to 962 units. On top of that, we are opening two new upfit centers, one in Northwest Indiana and another in Atlanta, giving us capability in two strategic markets and putting us on pace to exceed 2,000 units in 2025 while setting the stage for significantly more growth in 2026. Trailers as a Service or TaaS, is another example of Wabash extending our manufacturing and distribution leadership through business model innovation. We continue to sign shippers, carriers and brokers across North America, many of whom bundle the trailer itself with preventative maintenance, telematics, nationwide uptime support and repair management. The result, customers focus on moving freight while Wabash handles the trailer, which maximizes customer value and efficiency. As mentioned in the first quarter, our acquisition of TrailerHawk accelerated the technology road map inside of TaaS. In June, we rolled out version 1.2 of the TrailerHawk app, enabling shippers to reserve capacity directly on the platform while tracking assets in real time. Coming in the back half of the year, our predictive analytics alerts and automated tracking and billing capabilities that turn raw data into actionable, measurable savings. We have been continuing to prepare our physical and digital capabilities for the eventual market upturn, and we'll be ready to ramp TaaS when our customers require it. Over the past year, we've also pushed hard on expanding our preferred partner network, or PPN. We brought Dan Millar on board to lead this effort in September of 2024, a parts industry veteran with over 25 years of experience, and in less than a year, we're already seeing significant results. With our world-class dealer group at the backbone, the network is extending our reach so that we can grow parts distribution, accelerate repair turnaround and provide the services and infrastructure that underpins TaaS. Our North Star target is 300 points of service and parts distribution, and today, we're well on our way. The addition of 29 locations in the first half of 2025 has grown our network to over 110 locations with more coming online every month. Each new location strengthens our network and provides aftersales support for our customers. Financially, the rationale behind scaling parts and services couldn't be clearer. While the freight market has continued to put pressure on equipment orders in Transportation Solutions, parts and services continues to deliver secular growth, stabilizing earnings through the cycle. As this segment expands, its higher margins will play an ever larger role in Wabash's bottom line and cash flow generation. But more importantly, we're winning because we found new ways to serve our customers, innovative solutions that extend value far beyond the original equipment sale and well into the life of the asset. With that, I'll hand the call back to Pat for his comments.
Patrick Keslin:
Thanks, Mike. Beginning with a review of our quarterly financial results. In the second quarter, our consolidated revenue was $459 million. During the quarter, we shipped approximately 8,640 new trailers and 3,190 truck bodies, slightly better than expectations, resulting in a revenue on the top end of our $420 million to $460 million guidance range, gross margins of 9% and breakeven adjusted operating margins. As a reminder, the adjusted non-GAAP numbers reflect the removal of items related to the Missouri legal verdicts. In the second quarter, adjusted EBITDA was $16 million or 3.6% of sales. Finally, adjusted net income attributable to common stockholders was negative $6.1 million or negative $0.15 per diluted share, beating expectations due to slightly higher revenue and cost containment actions throughout the quarter. Moving on to our reporting segments. Transportation Solutions generated revenue of $400 million and operating income of $13 million. Parts and Services generated revenue of $60 million and operating income of $9.1 million. We view the sequential and year- over-year revenue growth in the Parts and Services segment as particularly positive. Despite challenging market conditions, we have been able to execute on our strategy of building out more resilient and recurring revenue streams to our Parts and Services segment. Year-to-date operating cash flow was negative $16.1 million as timing of revenue within the quarter created a drag on working capital in Q2. Regarding our balance sheet, our liquidity, which comprises both cash and available borrowings, was $312 million as of June 30. We finished Q2 with a net debt leverage ratio of 6.2x. On capital allocation, during the second quarter, we directed $6 million to traditional CapEx, invested $0.7 million in revenue-generating assets to support our Trailers as a Service initiative, utilized $10.4 million to repurchase shares and returned $3.4 million to shareholders via our quarterly dividend. Our capital allocation priorities remain disciplined and growth-oriented. We continue to invest above our $20 million to $25 million annual maintenance CapEx to support organic growth initiatives. At the same time, we remain committed to our dividend and we'll evaluate share repurchases and strategic bolt-on M&A opportunities in a balanced return-driven framework. I'll provide additional color on our 2025 capital deployment plans shortly. Moving on to our guidance for 2025. We are reducing our revenue outlook to approximately $1.6 billion and EPS to a range of minus $1 to minus $1.30. From previous midpoints, this represents a reduction of roughly $200 million in revenue and $0.55 of EPS. Ongoing economic uncertainty continued to weigh on our customers' capital expenditure plans and contribute to a softer overall market environment. In Q2, third-party trailer forecast dropped by roughly 13% for 2025, and our updated guidance reflects this sentiment. The most significant changes from our prior outlook come from a reduction in volumes within Transportation Solutions, flowing through to a decrease in gross profit equivalent to about $0.80 in EPS versus our prior guidance. This is partially offset by continued cost containment actions taken that recoup approximately $0.25 of EPS. In a continued environment of soft demand, our ability to stay agile and disciplined in cost management remains critical. I'm proud of how our teams executed in Q2. They responded quickly and effectively, delivering strong progress on our cost containment initiatives. We expect the same level of focus and execution to carry on in the second half of the year. As for the third quarter, our updated guidance implies third quarter revenue of $390 million to $430 million and EPS of minus $0.20 to minus $0.30. Moving on to capital deployment expectations for 2025. Given the updated outlook, we have reduced our anticipated traditional capital investment to be between $30 million and $40 million. As mentioned on previous calls, our capital expenditure plans are flexible and capital outlays will continue to adjust as the market dictates. The same goes for the rest of our capital allocation priorities. I would say that generally, we have flexibility with regard to how we allocate capital in 2025, depending on how market conditions evolve. While our first half free cash flow, excluding investment in Trailers as a Service was negative $31 million, we expect to be near breakeven by the end of the year as we rightsize working capital to the current needs of the business. While 2025 has brought its share of challenges, we remain focused on disciplined execution and advancing our long-term strategy. Our teams have shown strong resilience and sound judgment, particularly in managing costs and maintaining a healthy liquidity position to navigate the current environment. As we work through this cyclical trough, history reminds us that the rebound often comes stronger than expected. We're positioning the business to be ready when that inflection point arrives, when market conditions stabilize and businesses regain the confidence to reinvest. I'll now turn the call back to the operator, and we'll open it up for questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Mike Shlisky with D.A. Davidson.
Michael Shlisky:
Brent, just looking at 2026 for the overall trailer cycle, just update us on kind of what you're watching today? What has to happen for order rates to kind of pick up? Are you hoping that -- or thinking that folks might be exiting the trailer fleet market and making the market a little smaller for those who are left, just better rates and volumes? Just give us a sense as to maybe the 2 or 3 key things that you're watching for currently.
Brent L. Yeagy:
Yes. So great question. So when we think about 2026, I think it really comes down to capacity coming out of the market being the really the only factor right at this moment that we would be looking at in the context of the, I would say, the forecast that the third parties are putting out there at this moment in time. Now that's echoed by our customers as well who -- if you -- when you really talk around the horn with them, they believe that enough is starting to exit as long as nothing else changes in the environment to see where they can look at, we'll call it -- we'll call directional capital deployment in line with those expectations, which is really nothing more than getting back to a at-replacement level of capital deployment and then eating into the -- slightly the deficit that they've created by the underbuy over the last couple of years. So I think that is the main thing that we're looking at right now. And then the secondary thing that we'd be looking at is the fundamental freight-producing subsectors of the market, which is really what would be the -- truly the more positive precipitating event that we're all looking for to really change the game going forward.
Michael Shlisky:
I want to follow up with that question, Brent. Just asking a little more broadly, do you get the sense that the industry is quietly being able to do a bit more with fewer assets these days? Has the industry gotten more efficient over the last couple of years, with use of AI or more efficient load board. Anything you can tell us there as to -- is the national fleet just shrinking because of technology and not due to volumes of freight?
Brent L. Yeagy:
No, I don't have any -- there's nothing that I see at this moment that would say there's anything happening at scale around substantial efficiency that's moving into the market through technology deployment right at this moment. I would say the net inefficiency is still greater than efficiency being created. Now that doesn't mean that there's not inroads happening, at the fleets, and it doesn't mean that they're not building platforms that ultimately show promise. But when you integrate, right, all of it happening right now, plus the disruption that's happening in logistics, I think it is much more of a market-related situation as we sit here today. So I do not -- I would not expect to see as the market unfolds over the next 3, 4, 5 years, a depressing element relative to efficiency gains. It's not my calculus right now.
Michael Shlisky:
Got it. And maybe just lastly, can you give us just a little bit more detail on the parts and service growth? That was pretty impressive. I am curious, do you think the trajectory that, that business is on that you've still got growth tailwinds into 2026 and what might be behind that, whether it's offerings or expanding the network, et cetera?
Michael N. Pettit:
Yes. I think we hit on that a little bit, but it's upfit is a big piece of it. Obviously, our parts initiative that we've been doing now for about 3 years is starting to get some traction with our PPN expansion. We believe second half can be 20% better than the first half, and then we can see on the top line revenue, and we think we can grow into '26 as well. So we don't -- we expect there's a long runway ahead of us. We're just getting started. So we're coming off of a lower base, but we're now hitting some levels that I think are meaningful from the top and bottom line that are starting to move the enterprise, and that's just going to keep going as we go forward, and we resegmented in '21. We're at this point now where I think we're finally starting to see that sustainable growth and at levels that really will start to move the needle.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Kauffman with Vertical Research Partners.
Jeffrey Asher Kauffman:
A couple of questions. That $30 million to $40 million in CapEx, does that include the investment in Trailers as a Service?
Patrick Keslin:
It does not. That would be just our traditional CapEx.
Jeffrey Asher Kauffman:
Okay. And so where is the TaaS fleet right now? And how much incremental investment went in, in 2025 to TaaS?
Patrick Keslin:
So in terms of dollars that we've spent through the first half of the year, it's roughly $21 million. I'll let Mike expand on the -- where we're at in terms of total trailers and deployment, but that's -- the spend right now is about $21 million through the first half of the year.
Michael N. Pettit:
Yes. The total fleet is still directionally in line with what we said it was in Q1. It's over 1,000. We've added a few in total. And I would say that we would expect it to grow second half. Obviously, that's market driven. And -- but we would expect to see a move up in the second half from where we've been in the last 2 quarters in terms of our total fleet in TaaS.
Jeffrey Asher Kauffman:
Okay. So Brent, in your comments, you talked about the need for price increase in 2026 to handle inflation. At least on my numbers, I'm calculating average sales price in the transportation business dropped by about 9% sequentially, from 1Q to 2Q and is down about 13% year-on-year. What is driving that? Is that a mix change? Is that because of the way the contracts are structured? How should I think about that? And then how should I think about that moving forward to 3Q, 4Q?
Brent L. Yeagy:
Yes, I'll let Pat start and then I'll follow up.
Patrick Keslin:
Yes. The sequential ASP is almost entirely mix driven, Jeff. So if you were to do the percentage of the total trailers that are dry vans first quarter to second quarter with the increase in that percentage, it's a drag on our ASP across the Transportation Solutions group. If you were to look at it on a like-for-like basis and exclude that mix, ASP would be relatively flat to what it was in the first quarter.
Jeffrey Asher Kauffman:
Okay. So less tanks, more dry is kind of more what's driving it? Okay. And then the delivery number for 2Q, 8,640, congratulations, that was a lot higher than I thought it would be. You mentioned in your comments a timing issue, is that what happened here? Did we have more trailers that went in 2Q that maybe won't go in 3Q, 4Q?
Patrick Keslin:
Yes. So the timing issue specifically that we mentioned was just around cash collections. So we did a very big June shipment. So as you know, you could straddle between June, July and Q2 and Q3, but that was -- that comment was specifically related to where our net working capital is at the end of the second quarter because we did have higher shipments in the quarter, in that third month.
Brent L. Yeagy:
Yes. I'll give a little qualitative feedback on that, Jeff. I was overall pretty happy, all things being considered with second quarter revenue, specifically in the context of all of the, we'll call it, tariff noise that jumped into the mix at the end of the first quarter, right? So think about that affecting everything from incoming orders, pushouts and cancellation risk. When I step back and look at what the industry did through what was call it, feedback on the street and through our supply chain, Wabash weathered that extremely well, extremely well. Let me say that again, extremely well in terms of continuity of production, and not having maybe the disruption that others have seen, and I think that's going to show in market share numbers when the year is all said and done, helped us dramatically in being able to leverage also cost reduction efforts because we've managed a much, again, relatively more stable platform than maybe some of the rest, and we hope maybe that we can take advantage of that when we go into 2026 as well. So just -- hey, the big numbers are not what we'd like, but pretty happy with the way we're running the show right now when it comes to running the shop floor and making choices on how best to navigate this thing.
Jeffrey Asher Kauffman:
All right. Can I follow that point because you did have a great quarter and the delivery is above what I expected, profits better than expected. As I look to the '25 guide of a loss of $1.15 at the midpoint on $1.6 billion in revenues, how much of that is the operations of the business that's coming through? And how much of that is a drag on the P&L because of some of these new projects and new businesses that you're funding?
Patrick Keslin:
Yes. So I would say it's market-driven for sure. We do have some SG&A expenses related to our investments that we're still going to continue to invest in future growth of the business, but for the most part, I mean, you could do the math on the top line drop from guide to guide, that's entirely market-driven, and we've taken actions on the cost side that we feel are prudent given the market reality of what our top line is going to look like, and that's what's implied in the guide that we gave you.
Jeffrey Asher Kauffman:
All right. So one final question, and I'll pass it on. So year-to-date, we're looking at an operating earnings number of about a $0.73 loss. The guidance is for, let's say, $1.15 for the full year. So we're implying about a $0.40 loss for the second half of the year. As I turn to the discussions for the new year, as I turn to the benefits from the Big Beautiful Bill and what that might mean for the industry, is your sense that we're in the darkest part of the trailer cycle right now and that we -- you had mentioned in your comments you were hoping for a better '26. Until the orders come in, we don't know, but can you talk about this new activity and what gives you enthusiasm that maybe we're seeing the darkest days right now?
Brent L. Yeagy:
Yes. The -- well, Jeff, I would like to say we're in the darkest days. There's nothing that says that we're not. The only thing that changes that statement is what happens in the future that we don't know. Something has to act probably on the market for that to change the outlook of that, and your guess is as good as mine of what that may or may not be. When I talk to customers right now, I just had a discussion yesterday with a one of the big ones, and the -- being below replacement is a big deal now, and the more prominent, well-managed carriers are doing the best they can so that they can maintain -- so they can leverage margins going forward, right, when this thing goes, right? They're not getting behind the curve too much right now, but they don't have much further they can go before they are going to have to spend not only to get to replacement, which will be a bump from 2015 -- I'm sorry, 2025, but they've also got to start catching up some, which I'm kind of repeating myself. But that's a very broad discussion that's happening out there right now, and the general consensus that I've gotten is, hey, if it can just hold what's going on right now, and we get -- and it just gets a couple of tenth of a percent of spot rate right now is not a bad thing. You kind of go, that's not very much. In the world we're living in, if they can just knock off a few of those, that's enough from what I'm getting for them to have to and want to spend a little more in 2026, and I think that's how I think about it, and from where we're at, hey, that's a good story from being, like you said, in the darkest days because all you got to then have happen is the next shoe to drop and this thing will take off again.
Operator:
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Jacob Page for closing remarks.
Jacob Page:
Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to following up during the quarter. Have a great day. Thanks.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.

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