CLFD (2025 - Q3)

Release Date: Aug 06, 2025

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Current Financial Performance

Clearfield Q3 2025 Financial Highlights

$49.9 million
Net Sales
+2%
30.5%
Gross Margin
$0.11
Net Income Per Share

Period Comparison Analysis

Net Sales

$49.9 million
Current
Previous:$48.8 million
2.3% YoY

Clearfield Segment Net Sales

Up 15% YoY
Current
Previous:N/A

Gross Profit Margin

30.5%
Current
Previous:21.9%
39.3% YoY

Net Income Per Share

$0.11
Current
Previous:$0.09
22.2% QoQ

Financial Guidance & Outlook

Fiscal 2025 Net Sales Guidance

$180M - $184M

Increased outlook

Q4 2025 Net Sales Guidance

$47M - $51M

Q4 2025 Net Income Per Share Guidance

$0.03 - $0.11

Surprises

Clearfield Segment Sales Growth

Above guidance expectations

15% year-over-year increase

Clearfield segment net sales up 15% year-over-year for the quarter, outperforming overall company growth.

Gross Margin Improvement

8.6 percentage points increase

30.5% gross margin, up from 21.9%

Gross margin improved from 21.9% to 30.5%, driven by overhead absorption, inventory recoveries, and optimized capacity.

Net Income Per Share Above Guidance

$0.11 per share

Net income per share of $0.11 was above guidance and a significant improvement from the prior year.

Raised Fiscal 2025 Net Sales Guidance

$180 million to $184 million

Increasing fiscal 2025 net sales outlook due to strong bookings and decreasing lead times.

Impact Quotes

Clearfield segment net sales were up 15% year-over-year for the quarter, driven by strong performance in large regional and MSO markets.

Gross margin improved from 21.9% to 30.5%, aided by overhead absorption, inventory recoveries, and optimized capacity.

We are increasing our fiscal 2025 net sales outlook to $180 million to $184 million based on strong bookings and decreasing lead times.

The Home Deployment Kits provide labor-saving opportunities by enabling one installer to do work previously done by two.

We are confident in our strategic plan and long-term growth despite macro and BEAD-related uncertainties.

We see AI-driven data center growth as an opportunity but will avoid hyperscale data center markets to protect our core business.

Excess and obsolete inventory recoveries contributed about a 1.7% positive impact to gross margin this quarter.

Supply chain challenges remain in battery backup and rectifiers due to tariffs and import delays; alternative suppliers are being considered.

Notable Topics Discussed

  • Management highlighted the strong industry fundamentals, with a projected 12% CAGR in fiber industry over the next five years, driven by increased household connectivity and multiple provider access.
  • The rise of AI is described as the next industrial revolution, necessitating significant fiber deployment to support increased processing power and low latency requirements, especially for cloud data centers and edge computing.
  • Clearfield anticipates benefiting from these trends by providing fiber solutions for data centers and edge networks, with some revenue expected to materialize in 2026 and more substantially in 2027.
  • The company is investing in new products and marketing resources to capitalize on the growing demand from AI-driven infrastructure expansion.
  • Clearfield's long-term strategy is built on three pillars: protecting core customers, leveraging market position into new applications, and targeting adjacent markets for growth.
  • The company is expanding into new applications such as wireless backhaul, data centers, and non-hardened electronics at the edge, which are expected to become higher revenue segments.
  • Recent product launches like the TetherSmart MFT and Home Deployment Kits are designed to address evolving customer needs, reduce labor costs, and open new revenue streams.
  • Management noted a trend of electronics moving out of central offices to cabinets closer to end users, aligning with the design of their FiberFlex cabinets.
  • The FieldSmart FiberFlex 600 Powered Cabinet continues to be recognized for its innovative design, supporting this shift.
  • This trend is expected to increase demand for edge cabinets, which are a key part of Clearfield’s growth strategy, especially as they extend electronics to the network edge.
  • Clearfield's Home Deployment Kits are gaining traction, offering a labor-saving solution by combining fiber reels and all-in-one components for home installations.
  • Management expects these kits to contribute significantly to future revenue, emphasizing innovation to meet customer needs in rural, urban, and suburban environments.
  • The company is also expanding its reach into the connected home market, aiming to increase share and address new applications.
  • The European market experienced a slowdown due to a focus among broadband providers on operational efficiencies rather than network build-outs.
  • Management explained that delays in European deployments are not due to product issues but are related to strategic shifts and funding uncertainties in the BEAD program.
  • This has temporarily impacted revenue but is viewed as a delay rather than a loss, with expectations of a return to growth as market conditions stabilize.
  • The acquisition of CommScope's connectivity and cabling business by Amphenol is seen as positive for the fiber industry, helping to rebalance the financial health of key players.
  • Management clarified that this move does not directly impact Clearfield's focus, which is on service providers rather than hyperscalers like Amazon or Google.
  • The industry is expected to benefit from increased stability and focus among major players, supporting overall fiber deployment growth.
  • The company faces supply chain challenges primarily related to active components like batteries and rectifiers, impacted by tariffs and border delays.
  • Clearfield is managing costs by absorbing tariff-related expenses and exploring alternative suppliers for onshoring initiatives.
  • Lead times have improved but electronic component shortages remain a concern, with ongoing efforts to bring supply chains closer to North America.
  • Clearfield reported a 2% increase in total revenue to $49.9 million, with a 15% growth in the core segment, and improved gross margins from 21.9% to 30.5% due to overhead recovery and inventory adjustments.
  • Net income per share exceeded guidance at $0.11, reflecting operational improvements.
  • The company raised its full-year revenue outlook to $180-$184 million, emphasizing ongoing margin enhancements and cost management.
  • Management noted that small carriers are delaying builds due to uncertainty around BEAD funding, affecting their typical seasonal build patterns.
  • Despite delays, the company expects these revenues to be deferred rather than lost, with a more balanced growth outlook for 2026.
  • The uncertainty has led to some carriers focusing their resources on the most promising projects, impacting near-term order flow.

Key Insights:

  • Clearfield segment is expected to grow in line with or above industry growth rates.
  • Data center revenue growth is anticipated to start modestly in 2026 and more significantly in 2027.
  • Fiscal 2025 net sales guidance increased to a range of $180 million to $184 million.
  • Fourth quarter 2025 net sales are expected between $47 million and $51 million, with net income per share guidance of $0.03 to $0.11.
  • Industry fundamentals remain strong with fiber industry projected to grow at a 12% CAGR over the next five years.
  • Nestor segment revenue is expected to decline slightly in fiscal 2025 as focus shifts to margin improvement.
  • Clearfield's FiberFlex cabinet line addresses the trend of moving electronics closer to end users.
  • Focus on innovation to meet evolving customer needs in rural, urban, and suburban environments.
  • Home Deployment Kits combine fiber deploy reels and installation components in a single SKU, improving labor efficiency.
  • Launch of TetherSmart MFT, a fully sealed 10-port access terminal for FTTH, FTTB, and 5G backhaul applications.
  • The FieldSmart FiberFlex 600 Powered Cabinet continues to receive recognition for innovation and customer-friendly design.
  • Three-pillar long-term strategy: protecting core customers, leveraging market position for new applications, and targeting adjacent markets with modular product platforms.
  • Clearfield is bullish on its strategic plan and confident in long-term growth despite macro and BEAD-related uncertainties.
  • Clearfield is focused on balancing growth initiatives between Clearfield and Nestor segments, with Nestor focusing on cost structure improvements.
  • Management emphasizes the importance of operational excellence alongside revenue growth to enhance shareholder value.
  • Management views AI-driven data center growth as an opportunity but will avoid hyperscale data center markets to protect core business stability.
  • Supply chain challenges persist mainly in battery backup and rectifiers due to tariffs and import delays, with efforts underway to consider alternative suppliers.
  • The company aims to grow faster than the industry and gain market share, particularly in large regional and MSO markets.
  • Amphenol's acquisition of CommScope's connectivity business is seen as positive for the industry and not competitive with Clearfield's focus.
  • Gross margin improvement included a 1.7% positive impact from excess and obsolete inventory recoveries.
  • Home Deployment Kits are gaining traction, enabling single installers to perform tasks previously requiring two.
  • Product mix is normalizing with increased cabinet sales and growing connected home revenue.
  • Smaller community broadband providers are delaying builds due to BEAD funding uncertainty, impacting near-term revenue timing.
  • Supply chain tightness remains in battery backup and rectifiers, with no immediate onshoring solution expected.
  • AI and edge computing trends will drive significant fiber deployments in coming years.
  • Clearfield serves nearly 1,000 broadband providers, from century-old independents to startups.
  • Clearfield's modular Clearview Cassette platform enables product adaptability for emerging markets.
  • Industry analysts expect homes connected to outpace homes passed, supporting fiber demand.
  • Management cautions that BEAD program delays are temporary and expects more balanced growth in community broadband next year.
  • The company is expanding into wireless backhaul and data center edge networks with existing and new products.
  • Clearfield is absorbing tariff-related costs rather than passing them to customers to maintain competitiveness.
  • Clearfield's strategy includes expanding beyond traditional broadband to adjacent markets leveraging modular product design.
  • Management remains attentive to evolving market dynamics and supply chain challenges while maintaining a customer-centric approach.
  • Operational expenses are expected to trend slightly higher in Q4 due to trade shows, travel, audits, and consulting.
  • The company is investing in product marketing and development for data center applications expected to grow in 2026 and beyond.
  • The company is optimistic about long-term shareholder value creation through strategic growth and operational improvements.
Complete Transcript:
CLFD:2025 - Q3
Operator:
Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Clearfield Fiscal Third Quarter 2025 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please also note, today's event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Gregory McNiff, Investor Relations. Sir, please go ahead. Gregory
Gregory McNiff:
Thank you. Joining me on today's call are Cheryl Beranek, Clearfield's President and CEO; and Dan Herzog, Clearfield's CFO. As a reminder, Clearfield publishes a quarterly shareholder letter, which provides an overview of the company's financial results operational highlights and future outlook. You can find both the shareholder letter and the earnings release on Clearfield's Investor Relations website. After brief prepared remarks, we will open the floor for a question-and-answer session. Please note that during this call, management will be making remarks regarding future events and the future financial performance of the company. These remarks constitute forward-looking statements for purposes of the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements. It is important to also note that the company undertakes no obligation to update such statements, except as required by law. The company cautions you to consider risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements contained in today's press release, shareholder letter and on this conference call. The Risk Factors section in Clearfield's most recent Form 10-K filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission and its subsequent filings on Form 10-Q provide a description of these risks. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Clearfield's President and CEO, Cheri Beranek. Cheri?
Cheryl P. Beranek:
Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to discuss Clearfield's third quarter results. I will start by briefly reviewing the quarter, discussing Clearfield's long-term strategy, the current state of the industry and then turn it over to Dan for a summary of our performance and outlook. For more detailed information, please refer to our shareholder letter posted on the IR section of our website. Third quarter net sales of $49.9 million were up 2% over the same period in the prior year and toward the top end of our guidance range, with Clearfield segment net sales up 15% year-over-year. We are especially pleased with the Clearfield segment's performance as we focus on our objective of growing faster than the industry and driving market share gains. Despite macro and BEAD-related uncertainty, the company is poised for continued long-term growth as the industry returns to a normalized cadence. As we've mentioned on previous earnings calls, a trend we have been tracking for some time is a shift of electronics out of the central office to cabinets closer to the end user. As we highlighted last quarter, we designed our FiberFlex cabinet line to address this trend. Our FieldSmart FiberFlex 600 Powered Cabinet continues to be recognized for its innovative and customer-friendly design. We are also expanding our reach deeper into the connected home. During the last quarter we announced TetherSmart MFT, which enables Clearfield to address new applications within and beyond the broadband ecosystem. As the industry’'s smallest, fully sealed, 10-port access terminal, the TetherSmart MFT is purpose-built for Fiber-to-the-Home, Fiber-to-the-Business, and 5G backhaul applications. Another key highlight in the quarter is the growing success of our Home Deployment Kits, which combine the innovation of Clearfield’s fiber deploy reels with the ease of packaging all components of a home install in a single SKU, and which are being broadly recognized for the labor-saving opportunity they provide. We expect these products to contribute significantly to our future revenue growth. This product development reflects our continued focus on innovation that empowers service providers to meet evolving customer needs, whether in rural, urban or suburban environments. However, the industry continues to change rapidly, and our ability to respond to these changes is key to our success. I'd like to take a few minutes to go a little deeper into our long-term vision, which we view as three pillars upon which to build Clearfield's House. Our first pillar is protecting our core. Clearfield serves the needs of nearly 1,000 broadband service providers, whether they are a 100- year-old independent telco or a competitive startup, our broadband service team is living alongside our customers. We will strive to protect these core customers by ensuring that their products needs for today and tomorrow are met. Our second pillar is to leverage our market position into further opportunity. Our customers are moving into new applications to leverage their fiber infrastructure and we are committed to growing alongside them. For example, we have a customer which is a significant broadband provider in the Northwest that is currently using our solutions for wireless backhaul. We have another customer in the Midwest that has deployed our products in its data centers, and we are seeing our cabinets extend non-hardened electronics to edge networks. These areas aren’'t new to Clearfield, but we believe they will be a significantly higher percentage of revenue as our customers adapt their business models. Our third pillar is to target select adjacent markets that we believe will allow us to expand our customer base and drive further growth. The modular nature of our product platforms, driven by the Clearview Cassette, will allow us to take existing products to new customers as well as design exciting new products for applications in emerging markets. An example of this is our recently announced TetherSmart MFT, which not only serves our existing customer base, but is under review by target customers in the wireless provider markets due to its ultimate configurability. This strategy is how we will expand from enabling a lifestyle of better broadband to our expanded purpose of enabling better broadband and beyond. The goal of this three pillar approach is to drive revenue growth as well as operational excellence, thereby enhancing long-term shareholder value. Turning to the industry, the fundamentals of the industry remains strong. A leading market research firm projects the fiber industry to grow at a 12% compound annual growth rate over the next 5 years, with approximately 1/3 of households expected to gain access to multiple providers. Similarly, industry analysts anticipate that the annual number of homes connected will outpace homes passed. Clearly, artificial intelligence, or AI, represents the next industrial revolution. As the demand for greater processing power continues to grow, communication infrastructure providers will be critical in connecting this ecosystem. Specifically, the power requirements for running AI are driving cloud providers to build multiple data centers, while the need for low latency performance is pushing computing to the edge of that network. Both of these trends will require significant fiber deployments in the coming years. Going forward, we will discuss the investments we are making to ensure our customer base has the equipment and support necessary to meet this growing demand. We believe Clearfield is well positioned to benefit from these industry trends. I'd now like to turn the call over to our CFO, Dan Herzog, who will provide an overview of our financial results for the third quarter of fiscal 2025 as well as to share our outlook for the remainder of the fiscal year.
Daniel R. Herzog:
Thank you, Cheri, and good afternoon, everyone. I will now review our third quarter results, beginning with sales. Third quarter net sales of $49.9 million were up 2% over the same period in the prior year and toward the top end of our guidance range. With Clearfield segment, net sales up 15% year-over-year. Gross margin for the period improved from 21.9% to 30.5%, driven by continued improvements in overhead absorption, recoveries of previously reserved excess inventory, as well as optimized capacity for current and growing product lines at our North American facilities. Net income per share of $0.11 was above our guidance range and reflects a significant improvement from the year ago period. We continue to make progress on improving product costs while also managing the cost structure of our Nestor segment. Despite lower revenue, driven by a redirected focus among broadband service providers toward operating rather than building out networks in some targeted countries in Europe, we saw a modest year-over-year improvement in gross profit margin for the Nestor segment in the third quarter. As bookings have continued to outpace shipments through third quarter, lead times decreasing with deployments continuing in a healthy fashion, we are increasing our fiscal 2025 outlook for net sales in the range of $180 million to $184 million. As Cheri noted, we anticipate annual revenue growth for the Clearfield segment to be in line or above industry growth, while we expect annual revenue from our Nestor segment for fiscal 2025 to fall slightly year-over-year as we continue to focus on improving margins. For our fourth fiscal quarter of 2025 we anticipate net sales in the range of $47 million to $51 million and net income per share in the range of $0.03 to $0.11. The net income per share range is based on the number of shares outstanding at the end of the third quarter and does not reflect potential share repurchases completed in the fourth quarter. Our guidance reflects the evolving tariff situation currently in place, which we do not believe will materially affect our operating results. And with that, we will open the call to your questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And our first question today comes from Ryan Koontz from Needham & Company.
Ryan Boyer Koontz:
I wanted to ask about -- typically do around product mix and for your core Clearfield business, are you still seeing abnormally high Connected Home relative to what you consider norm? Or are you seeing that come back in more to balance? Any thoughts on that?
Cheryl P. Beranek:
We're definitely seeing the product mix for the past home come back to a more normalized cadence. I think that's reflective of the fact that there were a lot of cabinets that were sitting in yards over the course of last year, and we're not seeing that as much this year. So we're definitely seeing an increase in cabinet sales. That said, we are seeing also an increase in the connected home as we enhance our share in the connected home revenue. So it's a little bit of both in regard to where we see the product mix for this year over last year.
Ryan Boyer Koontz:
Great. And yes, just reflecting to last year, I know there were some inventory impact to last year and the core business is up a bit, I think you said teens percentage year-over-year. Is that still aligned with what you've -- coming out of this quarter, what you've said before that the core Clearfield business is up double digits over last year on the inventory impacts last year?
Cheryl P. Beranek:
Right. Clearfield, our Clearfield segment is up 15% year-over-year for the quarter. And so even though the total revenues showed a 2% increase, total revenues were negatively impacted by, unfortunately, our performance under the Nestor segment. Clearfield continues to do very strong in our markets, principally driven this year and this quarter by our large regional and MSO business.
Ryan Boyer Koontz:
Got it. And your new products introduced for connected home...
Cheryl P. Beranek:
The Home Deployment Kits are doing really well and we're...
Ryan Boyer Koontz:
SeeClear, what was that called?
Cheryl P. Beranek:
They are called the Home Deployment Kits, and so these provide the opportunity to actually connect the physical home with our drop cables and with a device that sits on the home itself. And that by doing that, the one installer can do work, that was previously done by two. And so we're seeing some trials that have been underway now turning into ongoing revenue and new trials being started in different places. So we see that as a significant revenue opportunity for us. We see it demonstrated this year and we're excited about where it's going to go.
Ryan Boyer Koontz:
Great. And then on the Amphenol acquisition of CommScope's Connectivity business and cabling. Any commentary there on what you think that means for the industry?
Cheryl P. Beranek:
Well, congratulations to CommScope for figuring out how to be able to rebalance their financial situation. I think it's good for the industry that we don't have companies in financial distress. And so Amphenol's acquisition of CommScope, I do think it's good for the fiber industry. As they pointed out, their focus is the hyperscalers, the Amazons, the Googles and their deployment of fiber for AI. That's not a target of Clearfield. And so we see CommScope's focus there today and under the acquisition of Amphenol as being positive for them and not detrimental to us. In fact, our focus on AI is really part of our third pillar. It's the opportunity for not be serving inside of those data centers, but to work with our community broadband service providers, our large regionals and our MSOs to help provide the fiber that's going to have to connect those data centers together.
Ryan Boyer Koontz:
Great. And just one last one maybe for Dan. On the gross margin, you mentioned consumption of E&O reserves on the quarter. Was that material on the Clearfield side? Any idea how many basis points it was to gross margin?
Daniel R. Herzog:
Yes. It was probably about -- we -- last year, we had, I think, a $1.7 million expense. This quarter, we had like a $1.1 million gain, and I think it was about a 1.7% effect on it. And I do that based on our run rate, like if we would have just considered our run rate of recoveries from -- we beat that. We had like $1.6 million in recoveries, and we've been running about $500,000. So I figured that it be about 1.7% or 1.8% of a change from our run rate.
Ryan Boyer Koontz:
Got it. Maybe one more for you, Dan, on supply chain. You've mentioned maybe some tight supply as you saw extended lead times. Any particular area you can point us to where you see tightness in supply chain?
Daniel R. Herzog:
I think that's Cheri, you want that one?
Cheryl P. Beranek:
I would say that our challenge is still go to battery backup and some rectifiers associated in the active cabinet business. And so much of that is related to tariffs and is related to managing how that's brought into the country. We've been absorbing those costs rather than passing them along that's not -- and we're managing that aspect of it. The challenge just is, it creates extra time issues on the boarder, things that it has been difficult for us to get around. But like I said, we're -- our lead times have been better. On most situations, it's just those electronic challenges for the active cabinets.
Ryan Boyer Koontz:
Are you seeing any light in the tunnel as far as on-shoring or bringing it to North America -- battery? I know there was some...
Cheryl P. Beranek:
Yes, right. I think the challenge there is just the timing and how long that onshoring could take. So we're considering alternative suppliers at this point.
Operator:
Our next question comes from Jaeson Schmidt from Lake Street.
Jaeson Allen Min Schmidt:
Cheri, I just want to expand on sort of that data center opportunity you highlighted in the script. When you think about that market as a whole, how should we be thinking about that market impacting the P&L in a more sizable way? Is that a kind of fiscal '26 story? Is it beyond? How are you looking at that?
Cheryl P. Beranek:
I'd say there would be some -- I mean we have revenue today in the data center space, but not in the big hyperscale space that is causing the big numbers at CommScope and Corning. That's not a space that we've chosen to participate in because it's -- it would be detrimental to -- just the lumpiness that how we affect our factories and our ability to really protect our core. We do believe we can participate in the both the data centers that our customers are building as well as the data centers in our customers' markets and that are going to need to be connected. I think that we're going to start to see some of that revenue slightly in '26 but more importantly, in '27 at least that's what we're seeing at this point in time. We do have new products under development, and we have made some investments in product marketing resources that to evaluate the right needs that we have there. So those are some exciting new additions to bring out like products but to bring our products foundationally using the modularity of the Clearview Cassette that are fundamentally different. So there's a long runway yet in data centers, and we want to make sure that we do it the right way.
Jaeson Allen Min Schmidt:
That's really helpful. And then just as a follow-up, how should we think about OpEx trending, the remainder of this calendar year?
Daniel R. Herzog:
I was going to say, OpEx probably trending slightly up here for our fourth quarter. It's -- we've got some trade show and some travel things going on, a little bit higher variable costs at the end of the fourth quarter with -- as we ramp up our year-end audits and a lot of consulting things regarding administration things.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Tim Savageaux from Northland Capital Markets.
Timothy Paul Savageaux:
I have a question on the smaller carrier markets or really kind of the U.S. markets in general. So you saw a small increase, I think, amongst your smaller community broadband customers and -- but short of what you might typically see seasonally. And I know you referenced pull-ins in large regional. I mean, was there some of that dynamic at work amongst the smaller carriers as well? Or how would you characterize kind of what you're seeing here for both June and September is kind of maybe less than normal seasonal build.
Cheryl P. Beranek:
Right. Yes, the small carriers are the ones who have been the most impacted by the level of uncertainty associated with BEAD. So you've got small carriers who are not in a position to jockey. Lots of different builds. I mean they're going to put their engineering and development resources into the area that they think it's going to be the most likely or most prominent, and so we're definitely seeing some carriers who would have been building, expecting to have received BEAD funding for fiscal year '25 -- not building at all because they didn't have their engine -- not because they're not dedicated or committed to fiber but because they didn't have those other areas engineered and designed for deployment. So that's really frustrating on our part to see. But it doesn't mean that we're going to lose that revenue. It just means that, that revenue has been delayed because of the uncertainty associated with the mess that has been created in the BEAD program.
Timothy Paul Savageaux:
Got it. And maybe along those lines, you mentioned kind of industry forecasts for this low double-digit type growth rate. I know historically, Clearfield has been targeting growth normalized post these big ups and downs in the same range. Meaning, is that a reasonable place to start as we look out to fiscal '26 in terms of growth expectations and might this revenue pushing out a bit, add to that or have a positive impact on that level of growth out in '26?
Cheryl P. Beranek:
Yes. I think for -- at this point in time with the uncertainty with BEAD still out there. I'm comfortable with an outlook that's around the industry norms. We have been very clear that our goal is to grow as fast as the industry or faster in order to be able to take share. And we're in a position, I think, where we see that happening, in all of our territory -- in the large regionals and in the MSOs with really significant growth year-over-year. And then in Community Broadband, I think we're going to see Community Broadband providers not putting all of their eggs in one basket and not being entirely dependent upon BEAD's financing. So next year, we'll be more balanced than that. I would encourage you though to separate the growth initiatives on the numbers between the Nestor segment and the Clearfield segment. And so that's why we brought out in this quarter some clarity around the last 2 quarters really around some clarity around what is Clearfield's organic revenue and what has been the incremental revenue associated with the Nestor acquisition in Europe. So industry growth rates are a little higher for the Clearfield segment and then flat for -- it will be a little incrementally down in the fourth quarter for Nestor. But for next year, flat as we focus that organization on improving cost structure through a changing product mix. So that, that organization can reestablish profitability.
Timothy Paul Savageaux:
Got it. And last one for me. You're guiding kind of flat here for September. Any notable moves among your end markets below that, that are worth calling out up or down?
Cheryl P. Beranek:
We've seen -- I'd say while we had traditionally, we saw third and fourth quarters being where we saw the most of our revenues or most of our ordering patterns. Things came in a little bit earlier this year as people reestablished their buying trends. I think fourth quarter, we're going to -- our fourth quarter, we're going to see strong kind of continual demand from the Clearfield segment with the European unfortunately, continuing to be weak. And so you would see a similar mix between Clearfield and Nestor segment revenue in the upcoming quarter. In fact, perhaps a little bit higher Clearfield revenue than what we saw in third quarter.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And at this time, I'm showing no additional questions, I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any closing remarks.
Cheryl P. Beranek:
Thanks, Danny. And thank you, all of you who are listening to the call today, either live or recorded. We do not take your trust and our management team lightly. We are very bullish on what we're doing and confident in our strategic plan. I look forward to outlining that further for you in the months and quarters ahead. And again, thank you for your support.
Operator:
And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's conference call and presentation. We do thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.

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