AppLovin frames e-commerce ROAS as an early-stage ramp, with management noting that the category is still building data and models, so advertisers are not yet at a spend/ROAS ceiling. The company maintains a mid-market-first strategy to broaden adoption and recognize potential positive feedback bias from targeted onboarding, while gaming remains mature enough to support larger advertisers.
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So I think the feedback that we're getting from advertisers in the e-commerce segment seems to be that as they spend money on the platform, they're nowhere near hitting that sort of efficient frontier of ROAS ceilings. So I'm just wondering if we're kind of hearing from a positive biased group of folks or if that's what you're hearing overall from a broader group of the advertisers that you're talking to? And secondarily, I think, Adam, you talked about starting with the midsized merchants and going long tail. But -- and I think in the past, you had indicated some hesitation on working with some of the larger advertisers. I'm just wondering if that perspective has changed in the last 3 to 6 months or so as it seems like some of the mobile game advertisers are also pretty large?
Management’s framing is that AppLovin is still in an early stage of the consumer/e-commerce categories—meaning advertisers may not have yet reached their “efficient frontier” of spend versus ROAS because the platform is still building data and model maturity. In consumer/e-commerce, they explicitly characterize the business as “still early in evolution,” with “less data penetration” and a “less sophisticated model” than gaming, which is “pretty mature” with “a lot of data” and a “more developed” architecture. 1
They also connect the idea of ROAS “ceilings” to a gradual ramp rather than immediate saturation: advertisers “launched this product” are being described as running budgets 1–4 quarters ahead, with “most of their budget” going to “social and search,” implying a practical adoption ramp that can mask the true ceiling for AppLovin at any point in time. 1
Management’s explanation is twofold:
These points imply that if you’re hearing “not at ROAS ceiling” feedback, management believes it is consistent with the stage of the category (testing → graduation) and with the fact that advertisers are still ramping budgets rather than having fully optimized and saturated spend. 23
There’s not a direct “survey of all advertisers” included in the excerpts, so the most intellectually honest conclusion is: the excerpts support the existence of an early-stage ramp dynamic, but they do not quantify whether feedback is skewed toward a subset of high-performing advertisers. 21
However, the excerpts do provide indirect context suggesting AppLovin tries to manage the composition of advertisers it works with—potentially affecting the “tone” of feedback:
Together, these suggest management may indeed have a sampling effect: conversations could be with advertisers they deem more likely to see success (mid-market) or that were onboarded via targeted partnerships—meaning feedback could skew positive relative to the broader universe of potential advertisers. 154
But management’s “not at ceiling yet” narrative is presented as a general ramp thesis for the category (learning/graduation/time and faster improvement as data builds), not merely a story about a tiny winner set. 23
Bottom line on the first question:
In the excerpts, management articulates a clear tiering strategy:
So, in the excerpts provided, the hesitation (or at least the phased strategy) toward “very, very big” customers is still present, not explicitly reversed. 5
Management separately describes gaming as “pretty mature” with sophisticated architecture and strong performance even with new games launching on the platform (hitting return goals “really, really quickly” and “almost no learning budget”). 1
That implies that in gaming—where the platform is more mature—they may face less friction with large spenders (because the model is already sophisticated and data-rich), even if in consumer/e-commerce they prefer to go mid-market first. 1
In other words:
The closest supporting evidence for “less hesitation” is indirect:
But again, the excerpts do not explicitly confirm a changed stance toward large advertisers in the last 3–6 months; they primarily reaffirm the phased strategy for expanding upmarket. 15
Bottom line on the second question:
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