VRTS (2025 - Q3)

Release Date: Oct 24, 2025

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Current Financial Performance

Virtus Investment Partners Q3 2025 Highlights

$169B
Assets Under Management
$6.69
Adjusted EPS
+7%
33%
Operating Margin
+1.7%
$2.40
Dividend per Share

Key Financial Metrics

Total Sales

$6.3B

12% QoQ increase

ETF Assets Under Management

$4.7B
79%

Employment Expenses (Adjusted)

$98.7M

50.2% of revenues

Other Operating Expenses (Adjusted)

$31.1M

15.8% of revenues

Period Comparison Analysis

Assets Under Management

$169B
Current
Previous:$171B
1.2% QoQ

Adjusted EPS

$6.69
Current
Previous:$6.25
7% QoQ

Operating Margin

33%
Current
Previous:31.3%
5.4% QoQ

Adjusted EPS

$6.69
Current
Previous:$6.92
3.3% YoY

Total Sales

$6.3B
Current
Previous:$6.6B
4.5% YoY

Earnings Performance & Analysis

Net Income per Share (GAAP)

$4.65

Down from $6.12 in Q2

Operating Income (Adjusted)

$65M

9% QoQ increase

Incremental Margin

Above 50%

Q3 2025

Financial Health & Ratios

Key Financial Ratios

0.1x
Net Debt to EBITDA
1.3x
Gross Debt to EBITDA
41.1 bps
Average Fee Rate
50.2%
Employment Expenses to Revenue
15.8%
Other Operating Expenses to Revenue
33%
Operating Margin (Adjusted)

Breakdown of Assets Under Management

AUM by Product Type Q3 2025

Institutional
33.0%
Retail Separate Accounts
28.0%
U.S. Retail Mutual Funds
27.0%
Closed-end, Global Funds & ETFs
12.0%

Surprises

ETF Assets Growth

79% increase

$4.7 billion, up 79% year-over-year

ETF assets reached $4.7 billion, up 79% over the prior year with strong organic growth and record quarterly sales and net flows of $0.9 billion each.

Operating Margin Expansion

170 basis points increase

33.4% operating margin excluding discrete items, up 170 basis points sequentially

Operating margin increased 170 basis points to 33%, or 33.4% excluding discrete items, reflecting higher revenues and stable expenses.

Consistent Net Outflows Despite ETF Strength

$3.9 billion net outflows, unchanged sequentially

Net outflows remained at $3.9 billion despite record ETF sales and positive flows in fixed income and alternatives, due to outflows in quality equity strategies.

Debt Refinancing Completed

$400 million term loan and $250 million revolver with extended maturity

Refinanced credit agreement increasing financial flexibility and extending maturity profile with attractive terms at SOFR plus 225 basis points.

Quarterly Dividend Raised for Eighth Consecutive Year

7% increase

7% increase to $2.40 per share

Raised quarterly dividend by 7%, marking the eighth consecutive annual increase.

Office Consolidation Lowers Operating Expenses

$31.1 million other operating expenses, down from $32 million

Office consolidation actions taken last year and this year reflected in lower rent expense and reduced other operating costs.

Impact Quotes

Our ETF business is a newer business, and we've been building out track records in many strategies, with growth particularly in alternative space and return patterns attractive to investors.

We take a highly disciplined approach to inorganic growth and will act only when an opportunity is both financially and strategically compelling.

Quality strategies have underperformed momentum recently, but we expect a market inflection where quality will have its best performance and inflows.

Increasing availability of our ETFs in key channels is a big focus, as access varies significantly across distribution subchannels.

Office consolidation actions taken last year and this year are now reflected in run rate, lowering operating expenses going forward.

We view share repurchases as a core element of our capital strategy, balanced with other considerations and priorities.

Notable Topics Discussed

  • Virtus ETF assets reached $4.7 billion, up 79% year-over-year, driven by strong organic growth and high quarterly sales of $0.9 billion.
  • The company is actively working to broaden access to ETFs across key distribution channels, including wires, RIAs, and model providers, to capitalize on the ETF wrapper's popularity.
  • Virtus is developing several new ETF offerings, including growth equity, real estate income, multi-managed fixed income, and building block ETFs, with several filings anticipated to launch in upcoming quarters.
  • Management emphasized the importance of increasing ETF scale to gain access to larger channels like wirehouses, which require certain asset thresholds for entry.
  • The company is leveraging its ETF platform for solution-oriented and outcome-based investment strategies, aiming to expand its market footprint and product offerings.
  • Virtus highlighted a highly disciplined approach to inorganic growth, focusing only on opportunities that are both financially and strategically compelling.
  • In the quarter, approximately $1 million was spent on discrete business initiative expenses related to inorganic activities.
  • Management noted ongoing active evaluation of potential acquisitions, joint ventures, and private market expansions, with no specific deals announced yet.
  • The company sees attractive opportunities to add capabilities or increase scale, especially in private markets and outside the U.S., but remains cautious and selective.
  • Virtus maintains flexibility in its inorganic strategy, considering various structures and asset types to enhance long-term value.
  • The company’s quality-oriented equity strategies faced headwinds in a market environment favoring momentum, leading to net outflows in quality strategies.
  • Despite recent underperformance, Virtus remains confident in the long-term value of quality strategies, expecting a reversion to favor in the future.
  • Management highlighted that the current market cycle has been particularly unfavorable for quality, with quality indices underperforming momentum since 2023.
  • Virtus is positioning its offerings to benefit from a market reversal, emphasizing style-agnostic and high-conviction strategies that are currently experiencing positive flows.
  • Historical data shows that quality strategies tend to outperform after market cycles favor momentum, which the company anticipates will occur.
  • Virtus completed office space consolidation, which has been reflected in the lower quarterly operating expenses, contributing to improved margins.
  • The company expects the benefits of office consolidation to sustain, helping to keep operating expenses within the $30-$32 million range per quarter.
  • Discrete business initiative expenses of about $1 million were incurred, partly related to inorganic activities, and are considered elevated compared to normalized levels.
  • Management indicated that the office consolidation was a strategic move to enhance operational efficiency and reduce overhead costs.
  • The company remains focused on balancing cost management with strategic investments, including inorganic growth opportunities.
  • ETF sales and flows reached their highest quarterly level at $0.9 billion, driven by strong investment performance and demand for specific strategies.
  • 77% of ETF assets outperformed benchmarks over three years, and 85% beat peers, underscoring the quality of Virtus ETF offerings.
  • Virtus is actively working to increase ETF distribution in key channels and is filing for relief related to ETF share class access.
  • The ETF business's organic growth rate remains in double digits, making it a central focus for future expansion and product development.
  • Management sees ETFs as a strategic vehicle for delivering innovative, outcome-oriented investment solutions to a broad investor base.
  • Virtus’s institutional assets, representing 33% of AUM, are diversified across geographies, including non-U.S. markets.
  • In the third quarter, interest in emerging market debt and global REITs increased, reflecting a broader international investment appetite.
  • The company’s pipeline includes opportunities across managers and geographies, including Europe and the Middle East.
  • Virtus sees non-U.S. institutional strategies as a growth area, benefiting from different investor profiles and market dynamics.
  • Management highlighted that international strategies are less correlated with U.S. retail flows, providing diversification benefits.
  • Virtus completed a $400 million debt refinancing, extending debt maturities and increasing financial flexibility.
  • Cash and equivalents at quarter-end were $371 million, supporting ongoing investments and capital returns.
  • The new debt structure includes a 7-year term loan and a $250 million revolver, with interest at SOFR plus 225 basis points.
  • The company raised its quarterly dividend by 7% to $2.40 per share, marking the eighth consecutive increase.
  • Virtus maintains a low net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of 0.1x, indicating strong leverage capacity and liquidity for future growth.
  • Assets under management increased slightly to $169 billion, with a 2% rise in average assets, despite market volatility.
  • Investment management fees as adjusted grew 3% to $176.6 million, supported by higher average assets.
  • The average fee rate remained stable at 41.1 basis points, with expectations of consistency into Q4.
  • Market fluctuations and asset mix will continue to influence fee income, but Virtus expects stable revenue streams.
  • Management emphasized that fee rates are reasonable and reflect the company's diversified product mix.
  • Virtus raised its quarterly dividend by 7%, demonstrating a commitment to returning capital to shareholders.
  • The company repurchased $50 million of shares in the first half of 2025, exceeding prior years' full-year buyback levels.
  • No buybacks occurred in Q3 due to other strategic priorities, but management views share repurchases as a core capital strategy.
  • Virtus intends to balance capital returns with investments, including inorganic growth opportunities.
  • The company remains open to resuming buybacks when market conditions and strategic considerations align.
  • Virtus reported positive net flows in fixed income and alternative strategies, supported by strong investment performance.
  • In October, ETF flows remained robust, but U.S. retail mutual fund headwinds persisted, affecting overall product flows.
  • Interest in emerging market debt and REITs increased, reflecting investor appetite for alternative and real assets.
  • The company sees ongoing opportunities in liquid alternatives and fixed income, especially in non-U.S. markets.
  • Management highlighted that market environment favors strategies with less correlation to equities, aligning with client demand.

Key Insights:

  • Employment expenses as a percentage of revenue expected to stay within the 49% to 51% range.
  • Fee rate for Q4 expected to remain around 41.1 basis points, consistent with Q3 levels.
  • Inorganic growth opportunities remain active; company will pursue only financially and strategically compelling acquisitions.
  • Interest expense expected to rise in Q4 due to higher debt levels from refinancing.
  • Interest income anticipated to increase in Q4 due to higher cash balances from debt refinancing, partially offset by lower CLO interest income.
  • Net flows in October trending similarly to Q3, with strong ETF sales and continued headwinds in U.S. retail mutual funds.
  • No specific inorganic transactions to announce currently, but pipeline remains active.
  • Share repurchases remain a core capital strategy, balanced with investments and liquidity priorities.
  • Completed office consolidation leading to lower rent expenses and reduced other operating costs.
  • Continued to develop solution-oriented, outcome-focused models using ETFs.
  • ETF business showed strong organic growth with 77% of ETF AUM beating benchmarks over 3 years and 85% outperforming peers.
  • Expanded fixed income offerings in retail separate accounts to capture growth opportunities.
  • Focus on expanding retail separate accounts and increasing availability of ETFs in key distribution channels.
  • Introduced a global macro ETF from AlphaSimplex during Q3 and have several actively managed ETFs in filing for launch in coming quarters.
  • Maintaining a disciplined approach to inorganic growth focusing on differentiated capabilities, private market expansion, and international client access.
  • Raised $29.7 million to sponsor a new CLO and increased equity in a majority-owned affiliate by $14.8 million.
  • CEO George Aylward emphasized the long-term strength of quality-oriented strategies despite recent momentum-driven market headwinds.
  • CEO noted the ETF wrapper's tax efficiency and transparency as key drivers of investor demand.
  • Focus on broadening ETF distribution access, especially in wirehouses, RIAs, and model providers, to drive future growth.
  • Inorganic growth strategy remains disciplined, targeting scale, capability expansion, and geographic diversification.
  • Management expects a market inflection favoring quality strategies, which historically leads to strong performance and inflows.
  • Management highlighted the importance of balancing capital return with investments in business growth and inorganic opportunities.
  • Management views share repurchases as a critical component of capital strategy but balanced with other priorities.
  • Positive institutional interest noted in emerging market debt and global/domestic REIT strategies.
  • Buybacks remain important but balanced with other capital uses; no immediate plans for repurchases in Q3.
  • ETFs attract interest due to both the wrapper benefits and specific strategy performance, with focus on expanding distribution and new product launches.
  • Inorganic growth pipeline remains active with focus on accretive, strategic acquisitions including private markets and international expansion.
  • Institutional demand strong in emerging market debt and REITs, with geographic diversification including Europe and Middle East.
  • Net outflows driven by overweight in quality equity strategies; positive flows in fixed income, alternatives, and style-agnostic equity strategies.
  • Office consolidation has reduced operating expenses; $1 million discrete expenses relate to inorganic activity.
  • Competitive landscape includes active inorganic opportunities but requires disciplined evaluation.
  • Debt refinancing at attractive terms with SOFR plus 225 basis points interest rate, extending maturity to 7 years for term loan.
  • ETF market growth driven by investor preference for transparency, tax efficiency, and portfolio building blocks.
  • Market environment favors momentum strategies, creating headwinds for quality-oriented equity funds.
  • Net debt remains low at 0.1x EBITDA, providing financial flexibility.
  • Quality equity strategies have underperformed momentum by significant margins over the past two years, an unusually stark divergence.
  • Regulatory filings underway for ETF share class relief to enhance product offerings.
  • Strong liquidity position with $371 million cash and $300 million in other investments including seed capital.
  • ETF sales more than doubled sequentially, indicating accelerating investor adoption.
  • Increased ownership in a majority-owned affiliate signals strategic commitment.
  • Management’s long-term view favors quality strategies despite short-term market cycles.
  • Office consolidation benefits expected to sustain lower operating expenses going forward.
  • Positive net flows in fixed income and alternative strategies offset by equity outflows highlight portfolio diversification benefits.
  • Use of CLO issuance as a financing and investment tool reflects innovative capital management.
Complete Transcript:
VRTS:2025 - Q3
Operator:
Good morning. My name is Didi, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the Virtus Investment Partners quarterly conference call. The slide presentation for this call is available in the Investor Relations section of the Virtus website, www.virtus.com. This call is being recorded and will be available for replay on the Virtus website. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the conference to your host, Sean Rourke. Sean Rou
Sean Rourke:
Thanks, Didi, and good morning, everyone. On behalf of Virtus Investment Partners, I'd like to welcome you to the discussion of our operating and financial results for the third quarter of 2025. Our speakers today are George Aylward, President and CEO; and Mike Angerthal, Chief Financial Officer. Following their prepared remarks, we'll have a Q&A period. Before we begin, please note the disclosures on Page 2 of the slide presentation. Certain matters discussed on this call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, and as such, are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties, including those factors set forth in today's news release and discussed in our SEC filings. These risks and uncertainties may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed in these statements. In addition to results presented on a GAAP basis, we use certain non-GAAP measures to evaluate our financial results. Our non-GAAP financial measures are not substitutes for GAAP financial results and should be read in conjunction with them. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the applicable GAAP measures are included in today's news release and financial supplement, which are available on our website. Now I'd like to turn the call over to George. George?
George Aylward:
Thank you, Sean, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with an overview of the results we reported this morning, and then I'll turn it over to Mike to give a little more detail. We delivered solid financial results in the third quarter, supported by higher average assets under management and favorable market momentum. We did, however, have net outflows as our quality-oriented strategies continue to face headwinds in a market environment that has largely favored momentum. Our focus remains on our initiatives to increase our retail separate account offerings, expand the availability of ETFs in key channels and grow the wealth management business. Key highlights of the quarter included higher earnings per share and operating margin, strong growth in ETF assets with our highest level of quarterly sales and net flows, positive net flows in both fixed income and alternative strategies, an increase in our quarterly dividend for the eighth consecutive year, and we completed a debt refinancing, providing significant liquidity and flexibility to invest in the business and return capital to shareholders. Our exchange-traded fund business was a particular highlight this quarter. ETF assets reached $4.7 billion, up 79% over the prior year with a strong organic growth rate over the period. In the third quarter, ETF sales and flows reached their highest quarterly level at $0.9 billion each, benefiting from strong investment performance and demand for some of our strategies. As of September 30, 77% of ETF AUM were beating benchmarks over the 3-year period and 85% were outperforming peers over the same period. We continue to focus on broadening access to our ETFs in key distribution channels and introducing compelling new offerings. We currently have 21 ETFs across a variety of strategies, and we have several actively managed funds in filing that we anticipate will launch over the next few quarters, including several growth equity-oriented ETFs from Silvant, a real estate income ETF managed by Duff & Phelps, a multi-managed fixed income ETF collaboration between [indiscernible] and Sykes and a set of building block ETFs from Virtus Systematic. And these follow the introduction of a global macro ETF from AlphaSimplex during the third quarter. On the inorganic side, I would reiterate my comments from our last call that the environment remains very favorable with attractive opportunities to add compelling new capabilities or increase scale. As always, however, we take a highly disciplined approach to inorganic growth and we will act only when an opportunity is both financially and strategically compelling. I would note that in the quarter, we did have $1 million of discrete business initiative expenses that were related to inorganic activity. Turning to investment performance. While recent equity performance reflects our quality orientation in a market that has favorable momentum, we are pleased with the performance we have generated over market cycles. Over the 10-year period, 70% of our equity assets and 77% of our fixed income assets beat their benchmark. For just mutual funds, 70% of equity funds and 80% of fixed income funds outperformed the peer median. I would also note that 25 of our retail funds are rated 4 and 5-star funds and 84% of our rated retail fund assets were in 3, 4 or 5-star funds. Turning now to review of the results. Total assets under management were $169 billion at September 30, modestly below the prior quarter level as favorable market performance was offset by net outflows. Total sales of $6.3 billion increased 12% from $5.6 billion in the second quarter with higher sales of fixed income and alternative strategies. On a product basis, we saw higher sales in institutional and ETFs. Total net outflows for the quarter of $3.9 billion were unchanged sequentially in spite of our highest level of ETF flows and positive flows in fixed income and alternative strategies, which were more than offset by outflows in quality equity strategies. Looking at flows across asset classes, the equity net outflows largely reflect our weighting towards quality-oriented strategies. And while quality has historically outperformed over longer market cycles, it tends to underperform momentum in risk-on environments, which has been particularly stark over the past 2 years. Fixed income net flows were positive for the quarter and the trailing 12 months, supported by very strong investment performance, both for the shorter and longer-term periods. For the quarter, we saw positive net flows in our fixed income strategies across several products, including ETFs, institutional and retail separate accounts. Net flows of alternative strategies were also positive, primarily in ETFs. In terms of what we're seeing in October, flows across products and asset classes are trending similarly. ETF sales and net flows remain strong, but U.S. retail mutual fund headwinds continue. In institutional, trends are also similar to the third quarter with known redemptions exceeding known wins and with the wins across a range of strategies, including such things as emerging market debt and global and domestic REIT. Turning now to our financial results. The sequential improvement reflected growth in average assets under management and stable operating expenses. The operating margin was up 170 basis points to 33% or 33.4% without discrete items with an incremental margin that continues to be above 50%. Earnings per share as adjusted of $6.69 increased from $6.25 in the second quarter. Relative to the prior year period, earnings per share as adjusted decreased 3% on lower average assets. In terms of our balance sheet and capital, given the nearing maturity of our previous credit agreement, we refinanced with a new $400 million term loan and $250 million revolving credit facility, increasing our financial flexibility and extending our debt maturity profile with attractive terms. On a net basis, this added $158 million of cash to our balance sheet at the end of September. We also raised a quarterly dividend, representing the eighth consecutive annual increase. Regarding share repurchases, we were not in the market in the third quarter given other considerations and priorities. As a reminder, we bought back $50 million of our shares in the first half of the year, which was higher than our full year of repurchases in each of the prior 2 years. Buybacks remain an important component of our capital management strategy. And given our strong liquidity position, we intend to continue to balance return of capital to shareholders with investments in the business, including inorganic opportunities. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike. Mike?
Michael Angerthal:
Thank you, George. Good to be with you all this morning. Starting with our results on Slide 7, assets under management. Our total assets under management at September 30 were $169.3 billion, and average assets increased 2% to $170.3 billion. Our AUM represented a broad range of products and asset classes. By product, institutional is our largest category at 33% of AUM. Retail separate accounts, including wealth management at 28% and U.S. retail mutual funds at 27%. The remaining 12% comprises closed-end funds, global funds and ETFs. Within open-end funds, ETF assets under management grew to $4.7 billion, up by $1 billion sequentially on continued strong net flows and have increased 79% over the prior year. We are also diversified within asset classes in equities between international and domestic and within domestic, well represented among mid, small and large-cap strategies. And fixed income is well diversified across duration, credit quality and geography. Turning to Slide 8, asset flows. Sales grew 12% to $6.3 billion with higher sales of both fixed income and alternative strategies. Reviewing by product, institutional sales of $2 billion compared with $1.3 billion last quarter, driven by fixed income and multi-asset strategies and included the issuance of a new $0.4 billion CLO. Retail separate account sales were $1.4 billion, essentially unchanged from the prior quarter. Open-end fund sales of $2.8 billion were consistent with the prior quarter as strong growth in ETF sales were offset by lower sales of U.S. retail funds. ETF sales were $0.9 billion, more than double the prior quarter level. Total net outflows were $3.9 billion, consistent with the prior quarter. Reviewing by product. Institutional net outflows of $1.5 billion improved from $2.2 billion due to the increase in inflows into fixed income strategies. As always, institutional flows will fluctuate depending on the timing of client actions. Retail separate accounts had net outflows of $1.2 billion, driven by small and SMID-cap strategies, while large cap and fixed income generated positive net flows. We also continue to see positive net flows in our style-agnostic, high conviction, large-cap growth offerings. For open-end funds, net outflows of $1.1 billion compared with $1 billion in the prior quarter and were driven by equity strategies within U.S. retail funds, which more than offset positive net flows in ETFs. ETFs continued to generate strong double-digit organic growth rate with $0.9 billion of positive net flows. Turning to Slide 9. Investment management fees as adjusted of $176.6 million increased 3%, reflecting a consistent average fee rate and an increase in average assets under management. The average fee rate, excluding performance fees, was 41.1 basis points, unchanged from the prior quarter. Looking ahead, we believe this fee rate is reasonable for the fourth quarter modeling purposes. And as always, the fee rate will be impacted by markets and the mix of assets. Slide 10 shows the 5-quarter trend in employment expenses. Total employment expenses as adjusted of $98.7 million increased slightly due to higher variable incentive compensation. As a percentage of revenues, employment expenses as adjusted declined by 70 basis points to 50.2%. Looking ahead, it is reasonable to anticipate employment expenses as a percentage of revenues will remain within our recent 49% to 51% range. Turning to Slide 11. Other operating expenses as adjusted were $31.1 million, down from $32 million due to lower rent expense from office consolidation and the prior quarter impact of the annual equity grants to the Board of Directors, partially offset by $1 million of discrete business initiative expenses. As a percentage of revenue, other operating expenses were 15.8%, down from 16.7%. For modeling purposes, our range of $30 million to $32 million per quarter remains appropriate. Slide 12 illustrates the trend in earnings. Operating income as adjusted of $65 million increased 9% sequentially due to higher revenues and relatively stable operating expenses. The operating margin as adjusted of 33% increased 170 basis points from the second quarter. Excluding the discrete business initiative expenses, the operating margin was 33.4%. With respect to nonoperating items, interest and dividend income of $4.1 million declined sequentially due to elevated CLO interest income in the prior quarter. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, it would be reasonable to anticipate a higher level of interest income given increased cash balances at the end of the quarter as a result of the recent debt refinancing, offset partially by lower CLO interest income. Interest expense was $4.8 million in the third quarter. It would be reasonable to assume that will increase in the fourth quarter given the higher debt level. Noncontrolling interest, which reflects minority interest in one of our managers were modestly lower, primarily due to the increase in our ownership late in the quarter. A reasonable run rate for the fourth quarter is approximately $2 million. Net income as adjusted of $6.69 per diluted share, which included $0.11 of discrete expenses, increased 7% from $6.25 in the second quarter. In terms of GAAP results, net income per share of $4.65 decreased from $6.12 per share in the second quarter due to $1.54 of unrealized losses on investments, partially offset by $0.42 of fair value adjustments to minority interests. Slide 13 shows the trend of our capital liquidity and select balance sheet items. On September 26, we completed the refinancing of our credit agreement, increasing the company's financial flexibility and extending the maturity profile. The new $400 million term loan has a 7-year maturity and the revolver provides $250 million of capacity through 2030, each bearing interest at SOFR plus 225 basis points. Cash and equivalents at September 30 were $371 million. In addition, we had $300 million of other investments, including seed capital to support growth initiatives. During the third quarter, we raised our quarterly common dividend by 7% to $2.40 per share. Other uses of capital during the quarter included $29.7 million to sponsor the new CLO as well as $14.8 million for a planned increase in equity of our majority-owned affiliate. The last of the scheduled equity purchases of the affiliate will be approximately $7 million in the fourth quarter. At September 30, gross debt to EBITDA was 1.3x, up from 0.7x at June 30 due to the upsizing of our credit facility. And we ended the quarter with $29 million of net debt or 0.1x EBITDA, which declined from 0.2x at June 30. Our strong levels of liquidity, including the undrawn revolver and modest net leverage provide meaningful financial flexibility to continue to invest in the business and return capital. And with that, let me turn the call back over to George. George?
George Aylward:
Thank you, Mike. So we'll now take your questions. Didi, would you open up the lines, please?
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Ben Budish of Barclays.
Benjamin Budish:
Maybe just first on the ETF side, you've noticed -- noted that that's an area of strength. Could you just maybe unpack for us a little bit, what are the key strategies that are attracting the most interest? Is it the wrapper itself? Is it the particular strategies that are offered in that wrapper, the franchises? And how do you think about that in terms of what informs the future pipeline? You mentioned a couple of things upcoming. But as you think about the next couple of years, how are you thinking what might make sense either to launch or to kind of rewrap? How you're thinking about all that?
George Aylward:
Sure. Yes. So I think in terms of what's driving, I think it's both components. So I think the ETF wrapper itself is highly preferred by a large number of investors and financial advisers. Transparency benefits, tax efficiency. So I think in certain instances for specific strategies, it's become a vehicle of choice. In terms of what strategies people are accessing. So for us, our ETF business is a newer business, and we've been building out track records in many of our strategies. And currently, we've seen growth occurring in several of them, particularly those that I think we noted in the alt space or that have certain kinds of return patterns that are being found to be very attractive. So I commented a little bit on some of our pipeline because we really do see a lot of opportunities for very specific types of strategies in the ETF wrapper that increasingly will be utilized in portfolios. I also made comments for us, getting availability for ETFs is a big focus. A lot of times with newer ETFs, it's harder to get access in certain of the subchannels. So as we grow them, and so including in this quarter, we had one that we got to a level of access and that drove some of our flows this quarter. So that continues to be a priority for us. And then just separately, I would note for the ETF share class relief, we are one of the firms that do have filings in process related to that as well.
Benjamin Budish:
Very helpful. Maybe just following up in terms of growth priorities. You mentioned inorganic opportunities in your kind of brief comments about uses of capital. Just any update on pipeline potential timing? And are there any changes in the environment that make things more or less feasible? You talked about sort of growth versus momentum. Does that sort of inform the types of assets you're interested in acquiring? Just any update there would be helpful as well.
George Aylward:
Yes. But on the last point in terms of the quality versus momentum, and again, having been in a period where for the last 2 years, quality has significantly underperformed the momentum. That is a current event. So in terms of a long-term M&A strategy, that might not necessarily have a huge impact on it, though it would influence it. We look forward to the reversion for quality coming back into favor, which is generally when quality-oriented strategies have their best performance. So unless momentum continues to lead the markets for the next multiple years, will have a headwind. But when it inverts, we will be well positioned to take care of that. In terms of inorganic, again, I repeated some of the comments from last quarter, which is that the activity remains very active and that there is a lot of opportunities in terms of things that could potentially make sense. We really focus in on a very disciplined and focused approach on what really makes sense in terms of either adding another differentiated high-performing traditional capability or private market expansion or something that would allow us to have access to more clients outside the U.S. Those are the 3 areas I believe we previously have commented on. And we do think all of those could potentially be interesting opportunities for us. We have nothing specific to announce at this time on anything that we're doing. But again, it continues to be a very active area for us.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Crispin Love of Piper Sandler.
Crispin Love:
First, just looking big picture at net flows, they've been pretty elevated for 4 consecutive quarters net outflows. When you look forward, do you see any key levers to be able to improve those flows to get to more neutral, at least less negative outside of just quality coming more into favor versus momentum?
George Aylward:
Yes. Well, I mean, a couple of things. So we did have positive flows in fixed income strategies in the quarter. We had positive flows in alternative strategies. We have positive flows in our ETF. And in multi-asset, I think we were kind of breakeven. So a lot of our flows are really around our overweight to quality-oriented equity strategies. Actually, our equity strategies that are not highly correlated to quality actually are in positive flows. So it's just the significant overweight that we have to those types of strategies is the reason that it's overshadowed any of the other areas that have been positive. So what we're focusing in on primarily now while the cycle is still negative towards us is to grow those things that don't have that same correlation. So as I commented on some of our more style agnostic or momentum-oriented equity strategies actually were in positive flows, and we're actually seeing activity there. But they're just such a smaller part of our business they're not going to overshadow the quality and the momentum. But in terms of the quality momentum, and again, this has really been -- and we highlighted how bad of a 2-year period this has been to give some examples. So for the S&P MidCap Quality Index, it trailed the S&P MidCap momentum by about 32%, which is really kind of ranks in the 93rd percentile of the data that goes all the way back to 1992 and actually, it's the worst level since October of 2000. And similarly, on the small cap, the Morningstar U.S. Small Cap quality trailed the Morningstar U.S. Small Cap momentum by about 82%, and that's the worst level going back to 2008. So it really has been an unusually stark underperformance of quality versus momentum for a longer period of time. And I think as I just commented previously, historically, as they invert is usually when quality has some of its strongest outperformance, right? So in some of these strategies and some of these strategies I've personally been watching for over 20 years, they can generally have some of their best performance and then following that some of their best flows after that inversion. So we don't fundamentally believe that lower quality, less profitable, highly shorted companies are going to continue to always lead the market. And then lastly, when we sell our strategies, we sell them how they'll fit into a portfolio, right? So generally, people aren't just buying one equity manager hoping for the highest return. So really, where we're positioning those capabilities is really that someone should have a portion of their equity allocation not only in just the pure indexes, which is really a small number of names leading those indices, but to also then have certain allocations to either quality or other types of capabilities in the event that the markets inflect. And so I think increasingly, as people will look at do they need to have some protection in case there is that flip, that will be an area that we would be able to take advantage of.
Crispin Love:
Great. I appreciate all the color there. And then just second question for me on other OpEx. You had the office space consolidation. Is this something that you've been thinking about for several quarters? And then shouldn't that drive down the run rate for OpEx going forward? Or are there offsets in there as well? And then also, if you can just detail what the $1 million of discrete business initiative expenses were in the quarter?
Michael Angerthal:
Sure, Crispin. I'll jump in. It's Mike. So with respect to the office consolidation, this is the quarter that you actually see it in the run rate. Those are some actions that we have taken starting late last year and earlier this year that have now been reflected in the run rate. So we talked about the $30 million to $32 million range ex the discrete items sort of coming in at the low end of that range given the benefit of that office consolidation. So we provided the transparency around the discrete items. As George alluded to, they're generally related to at elevated levels based on some of the inorganic activity that we have been focused on. So we thought providing that transparency would be helpful in the analysis of other operating. So again, it is specific to some of those activities and at levels higher than what we would anticipate a more normalized level.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Bill Katz of TD Cowen.
William Katz:
Okay. Just sticking on the discrete spend here. Is that now over? Or should we anticipate that, that will persist? And then relatedly, are you back in the market for buyback at present?
George Aylward:
Yes. So on the first part of the question, again, in the prepared comments, we're clear that we're still being very active, and there's still a lot of opportunities for us. So we'll sort of stand by that and sort of saying we are still being very active in evaluating potential opportunities. And as it relates, we don't have anything specific to discuss or announce at this point, but that continues to be an area where we are being very active. And on buybacks, nothing specific to say other than we continue to view that as a core element of our capital strategy. Halfway through the year, we had done $50 million, which has gotten us to the highest level of over 2 years. So that will continue to be something that we will always evaluate. But as always, we have to balance it with other factors and other considerations for that. So nothing specific on what that might be in the short term other than to say we still view return of capital as a critical part of our capital strategy.
William Katz:
Okay. And just as a follow-up, just going back to your commentary that the fourth quarter, the institutional trends are still looking like they were in prior quarter. Can you unpack that a little bit, where you're seeing strength, where you're seeing the weakness? And underneath that, I was sort of wondering if you could just talk about what you're just sort of seeing generally in terms of allocations. And I'm curious specifically about the demand for liquid alts.
George Aylward:
Yes. And actually, 2 of the areas that actually I was actually very happy to see is, I mentioned emerging market debt, right, which is an area that had previously maybe not been as much in favor as some of us believe it should have been. So I think I commented on opportunities that we've seen in emerging market debt as well as global REIT as well as domestic REIT. So those are really nice to see there. I think generally, in the institutional, which for us, we have a nice non-U.S. institutional business. And I believe both of the ones I referenced are non-U.S. You kind of have a slightly different investor profile there. So that's why sometimes we can see interest in strategies that may not be as in favor in the U.S. retail market, even the U.S. institutional market, but have some opportunities there. So I mean, those are the 2 that I would highlight, but I think there's a variety of managers. Mike, I don't know if there's anything else you'd add to that.
Michael Angerthal:
No, I think you covered it. We -- the pipeline is across managers and across geographies, including from our European and Middle Eastern teams.
Operator:
And our next question comes from Michael Cyprys of Morgan Stanley.
Michael Cyprys:
Just want to ask about ETFs. I was hoping maybe you could speak to how broadly distributed your ETFs are today across the wires, IBDs, RIAs, et cetera, how that is compared to where you'd like that to be? Talk about some of the steps you're taking to expand your distribution presence for your ETFs, including in models? And if you could maybe just update us on how models are contributing, if at all, today.
George Aylward:
Yes. No, it's a great question, and that's specific to the comments we made and where we're focusing and one of the main areas of focus is increasing the availability of our ETFs in certain channels. Because as you're kind of intimating, getting access is not the same in every channel, right, the wires versus the RIAs as well as getting access into some of the big model providers and professional ETF buyers. So for us, we're focused on all of those areas where we are not where we want to be. We think we have a great opportunity, particularly if we can get some of our ETFs up to a certain level of scale, which will matter in some of the channels, say, like the wirehouses where you need a certain period of time and you need a certain asset level to have access. We always have focused in on some of the model providers and the professional buyers. But again, I still think that's a huge opportunity for us. I mean one of the reasons that we're focused on both sides of increasing the distribution as well as increasing the offerings because we just really see that there is just a great opportunity set for us and some of the areas that we kind of focus in on as we move forward. So our hope is that the growth will come from getting a lot more of the assets that we currently don't have that we do want and -- but then expanding those offerings to provide more building blocks for ETF models as well as for individual investors. And I think as I commented on a previous call, another area that we focus in on is our own models and using our ETFs for solution-oriented, outcome-oriented types of capabilities, which we have seeded and designed several things along that way. So that's why it's just been a big area for focus for us. And I think as you've seen, almost all of our product development has either been on the ETF side or the global fund side as well as -- and I don't want to leave retail separate accounts out because retail separate accounts, our focus there has really been on expanding the offerings. We have a strong placement in retail separate accounts on the equity side, and we have been just expanding the number of fixed income offerings and have put together several structures to allow us to take advantage of that. So that's another area that we would like to see some additional growth because we think we have a good opportunity set.
Michael Cyprys:
Great. And then just a follow-up question on inorganic activity. I was hoping maybe you could elaborate on the types and size of properties that you're evaluating. Talk about your process of how you're going about sifting and sorting through these properties and remind us of your criteria and hurdle rates. Does the transaction need to be accretive day 1 or within the first 12 months? How are you thinking about that?
George Aylward:
Yes. So when we speak about inorganic, we're covering the whole continuum of those things which are really -- could add meaningful scale, those things that can add capabilities that are quite additive to our current set of offerings, and that would also include expanding us from the public market offerings into the private markets. When we talk about inorganic, we also, because of our flexible model, that could include things like joint ventures or other types of structures. So we kind of leave ourselves open to a variety of different opportunity set and kind of evaluate -- primarily what we're trying to evaluate is the best strategic fit, the financial benefit and really the long-term value creation. So we'll include a lot of factors, which will include things like accretion, but we'll also include factors like what impact we'll have in our growth rates, et cetera. So I don't have specific hurdles that I would provide, but we do go through a filter of various elements as we determine between 2 alternatives or 3 alternatives, what we would prioritize. The good news is, again, with our current level of net debt being de minimis and our cash flow still generating, we do have flexibility to evaluate different types of opportunities.
Operator:
This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Aylward.
George Aylward:
Great. Now thank you, and I want to thank everyone today for joining us. And obviously, as always, if you have any other questions, please reach out. And thank you very much.
Operator:
That concludes today's call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.

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