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STEL (2025 - Q2)

Release Date: Jul 25, 2025

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Current Financial Performance

Stellar Bank Q2 2025 Financial Highlights

$26.4 million
Net Income
$0.51
EPS
$98.3 million
Net Interest Income
4.18%
Net Interest Margin

Key Financial Metrics

Profitability & Capital Ratios

1.01%
ROAA
12.16%
ROATCE
1.14% of loans
Allowance for Credit Losses
15.98%
Total Risk-Based Capital
$19.94
Tangible Book Value per Share

Provision for Credit Losses

$1.1 million

Driven by allowance for unfunded commitments

Non-Interest Income

$5.8 million

Includes Fed dividend

Non-Interest Expense

~$70 million

Flat QoQ

Period Comparison Analysis

Net Income

$26.4 million
Current
Previous:$24.7 million
6.9% QoQ

EPS

$0.51
Current
Previous:$0.46
10.9% QoQ

Net Interest Income

$98.3 million
Current
Previous:$99.3 million
1% QoQ

Net Interest Margin

4.18%
Current
Previous:4.2%
0.5% QoQ

Provision for Credit Losses

$1.1 million
Current
Previous:$3.6 million
69.4% QoQ

Total Risk-Based Capital Ratio

15.98%
Current
Previous:15.97%
0.1% QoQ

Tangible Book Value per Share

$19.94
Current
Previous:$19.69
1.3% QoQ

Net Income

$26.4 million
Current
Previous:$29.8 million
11.4% YoY

EPS

$0.51
Current
Previous:$0.56
8.9% YoY

Net Interest Income

$98.3 million
Current
Previous:$101.4 million
3.1% YoY

Net Interest Margin

4.18%
Current
Previous:4.24%
1.4% YoY

Provision for Credit Losses

$1.1 million
Current
Previous:Reversal of $1.9 million provision
42.1% YoY

Total Risk-Based Capital Ratio

15.98%
Current
Previous:15.34%
4.2% YoY

Tangible Book Value per Share

$19.94
Current
Previous:$18.00
10.8% YoY

Earnings Performance & Analysis

Share Repurchases

791,000 shares

Weighted avg price $26.08

Net Charge-Offs

$163,000

Minimal level

Financial Guidance & Outlook

Loan Originations Q2 2025

$640 million

Nearly doubled QoQ

Core Margin Goal

~4%

Intermediate-term target

Expense Management

Hold the line

Flat YoY, opportunistic investments

Surprises

Net Income Beat

$26.4 million

We are pleased to report second quarter 2025 net income of $26.4 million or $0.51 per diluted share, which is up from net income of $24.7 million or $0.46 per share in the first quarter.

Loan Originations Increase

Nearly doubled

We are seeing great results from our business development efforts with new loan originations, nearly doubling in the second quarter when compared to the first.

Non-Interest Expense Flat

Approximately $70 million

Non-interest expense for the quarter was essentially flat at approximately $70 million. This is better than planned and reflective of our focus on holding the line where we can on expenses.

Allowance for Credit Losses Slight Decrease

1.14% of loans

Our allowance for credit losses on loans ended the quarter at $83.2 million or 1.14% of loans, which is down 1 basis point from the 1.15% of loans that we had at the end of the first quarter.

Federal Reserve Dividend Income

New ongoing income stream

Second quarter benefited from additional earnings from Federal Reserve Bank dividend as a result of Stellar becoming a member of the Fed at the beginning of the second quarter.

Impact Quotes

Our strategy is clear: continue to build Stellar into the bank of choice in our markets for small business leaders.

We continue to feel good about our ability to defend and incrementally improve our top-tier margin profile.

Our bankers are out on the street. We've had some new hires that are starting to get some traction.

Organic growth is the #1 use of capital that we want to engage in.

We are positioned to deliver positive operating leverage by adding more scale for the Stellar Bank platform.

Our solid bottom line results have driven internal capital generation and our ability to maintain a very strong balance sheet and capital position.

We are still seeking partners to help build the balance sheet, build the bank, and there's still some opportunities out there for us.

We feel awesome about where we stand currently in terms of at our low relative low points on usage of wholesale funds at the end of the second quarter.

Notable Topics Discussed

  • Loan originations nearly doubled in Q2 2025 compared to Q1, reaching $640 million, marking the highest level since 2022.
  • Pipeline remains healthy, supporting continued growth.
  • Market dynamics, including increased M&A activity in Texas, are creating opportunities for customer acquisition and talent recruitment amid some disruption.
  • Management emphasizes building Stellar into the bank of choice for small business leaders.
  • Strong community banking focus and commitment to relationship banking are seen as key to long-term value creation.
  • Texas markets are viewed as resilient and supportive of growth opportunities.
  • Increased M&A activity is causing some market disruption.
  • Potential for both customer acquisition and talent recruitment as a result of industry consolidation.
  • Strong capital and liquidity position highlighted as a foundation for growth.
  • Total risk-based capital at 15.98%, with tangible book value increasing 10.8% year-over-year to $19.94 per share.
  • Active share repurchase program with 791,000 shares bought back at an average price of $26.08.
  • Net interest margin was 4.18% in Q2, slightly down from 4.2% in Q1, impacted by higher funding costs.
  • Shift in funding mix, including reduced reliance on wholesale funds and strategic use of lower-cost FHLB funding, aims to defend and improve margins.
  • Focus on increasing C&I loans, with a diversified mix and low concentrations in CRE and C&D.
  • Loan growth driven by higher originations and a positive outlook on future advances exceeding payments.
  • Expenses are held flat at around $70 million, outperforming initial budgets.
  • Management emphasizes holding the line on expenses to maintain flexibility for strategic investments and talent acquisition.
  • Management expects Fed rate cuts to benefit margins in the medium term.
  • Current yield curve inversions and rate environment present both challenges and opportunities for margin expansion.
  • Active share repurchase program, with willingness to buy back shares when valuations are favorable.
  • Evaluation of debt redemption options as part of capital management, aligned with organic growth and strategic flexibility.
  • Increased discussions on potential M&A deals, with a focus on disciplined pricing.
  • Ongoing pursuit of strategic partners to expand the balance sheet and build the bank, with a cautious approach to valuation and franchise preservation.

Key Insights:

  • Core margin target remains around 4%, with potential benefit from future Fed rate cuts.
  • Expense management strategy is to hold the line where possible while remaining opportunistic for investments.
  • Loan volume stabilized in Q2 with payoffs expected to give momentum for growth in Q3 and Q4.
  • M&A discussions have increased but management remains disciplined on pricing to protect franchise value.
  • Management expects to defend and incrementally improve net interest margin over time.
  • Organic loan growth is the primary use of capital, with share repurchases and debt paydowns as secondary uses.
  • Pipeline remains healthy supporting continued loan originations and growth.
  • Became a member of the Federal Reserve Bank in Q2, generating new dividend income.
  • Focus on relationship banking and expanding existing and new customer relationships.
  • Growth driven by strong business development efforts and a resilient Texas marketplace.
  • Loan originations nearly doubled in Q2 compared to Q1, reaching the highest level since 2022.
  • Measured approach to deposit pricing amid competitive funding environment, with some exception pricing where needed.
  • Reduced reliance on wholesale funding sources like FHLB borrowings and brokered CDs, favoring lower cost alternatives.
  • Shift in loan mix with increased emphasis on C&I and reduced concentrations in CRE and C&D.
  • CEO Bob Franklin emphasized the return to organic loan growth and the strength of the Texas market.
  • CFO Paul Egge highlighted disciplined expense management and strong capital position.
  • Executive Chairman Steve Retzloff and President Ramon Vitulli contributed insights on competitive landscape and funding strategy.
  • Leadership is focused on maintaining a strong balance sheet and financial flexibility to be opportunistic.
  • Management is open to acquiring new talent to support growth but expects back-office buildout to remain stable.
  • Management remains cautious but optimistic about M&A opportunities, emphasizing disciplined pricing.
  • Management stressed the importance of relationship banking as the foundation for long-term shareholder value.
  • Competitive funding environment with measured approach to deposit pricing and some exception pricing.
  • Core margin expected to be defended and potentially improved with focus on funding composition and reduced wholesale funding.
  • Expense management aims to hold the line but remain opportunistic for investments in talent and growth.
  • Loan originations nearly doubled in Q2 to about $640 million, with payoffs mainly from property sales.
  • M&A discussions have increased but management remains disciplined on pricing to protect franchise.
  • Management expects expenses to remain flat absent opportunistic investments.
  • Organic growth is the primary capital use; share repurchases are opportunistic based on price.
  • Other income benefits from ongoing Federal Reserve dividend income as a Fed member.
  • Pipeline supports continued originations and future loan advances expected to exceed payments.
  • Securities portfolio size is stable; focus remains on loan growth and maintaining liquid balance sheet.
  • Allowance for credit losses decreased slightly as a percentage of loans despite increased unfunded commitments.
  • M&A activity in the Texas market is increasing, providing potential opportunities for Stellar Bank.
  • Management is evaluating potential debt paydowns alongside share repurchases and other capital uses.
  • Seasonality affects deposit funding costs and securities balances, with Q1 benefiting from government banking seasonality.
  • Share repurchases totaled 791,000 shares at an average price of $26.08 in Q2.
  • The company became a member of the Federal Reserve Bank in Q2, adding a new income stream from Fed dividends.
  • Expense management success has allowed for internal capital generation and strong balance sheet maintenance.
  • Management believes the strong capital and liquidity position provides optionality in the marketplace.
  • Management expects some initial noise from potential Fed rate cuts but sees medium-term margin benefits.
  • The back-office infrastructure build for surpassing $10 billion in assets is largely complete.
  • The bank has seen market share gains in Dallas and Houston Beaumont regions.
  • The bank's strategy focuses on being the bank of choice for small business leaders in its markets.
  • The competitive landscape includes increased M&A activity and business-friendly state dynamics.
Complete Transcript:
STEL:2025 - Q2
Operator:
Thank you for standing by. My name is Rebecca, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Stellar Bank Q2 Earnings Release Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Courtney Theriot. Please go ahead. Courtney
Courtney Theriot:
Thank you, operator, and thank you to all who have joined our call today. Good morning. Our team would like to welcome you to our earnings call for the second quarter of 2025. This morning's earnings call will be led by our CEO, Bob Franklin; and CFO, Paul Egge. Also in attendance today are Steve Retzloff, Executive Chairman of the company; Ray Vitulli, President of the company and CEO of the Bank; and Joe West, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer of the Bank. Before we begin, I need to remind everyone that some of the remarks made today constitute forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. We intend all such statements to be covered by the safe harbor provisions for forward-looking statements contained in the Act. Also note that if we give guidance about future results, that guidance is only a reflection of management's beliefs at the time the statement is made, and such beliefs are subject to change. We disclaim any obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements, except as may be required by law. Please see the last page of the text in this morning's earnings release which is available on our website at ir.stellar.bank for additional information about the risk factors associated with forward-looking statements. At the conclusion of our remarks, we will open the line and allow time for questions. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Bob Franklin.
Robert R. Franklin:
Good morning, and welcome to the Stellar Bancorp's second quarter earnings call. We are pleased to share our results for the quarter, evidencing the great work our team has performed toward our goals for growth. In the first quarter, we described how we thought the year would play out with our loan volume stabilizing with payoffs in the second quarter, giving us momentum for growth in the third and fourth quarters. Our pipeline is healthy and continues to support growth. We are seeing great results from our business development efforts with new loan originations, nearly doubling in the second quarter when compared to the first. This is the highest level since 2022, and we believe it marks the return to organic growth. In these efforts, we continue to be supported by the resilient Texas marketplace, which provides Stellar Bank with great opportunities. Our markets have seen M&A activity pick up as many in the country focus on business-friendly states. With this consolidation comes some disruption, and we anticipate a potential for both customer acquisition and talent as a result. Our foundation is our great balance sheet, exhibiting strong capital and liquidity and highlighting our commitment to core funding. These attributes provide us with a good net interest margin and plenty of optionality in the marketplace, a tribute to our disciplined approach around relationship banking. We continue to focus on expanding existing relationships and building new ones. Our strategy is clear: continue to build Stellar into the bank of choice in our markets for small business leaders. We are a community bank, and we understand that our commitment to relationship banking is what will drive long-term value for our shareholders. And with that, I'm going to turn the call over to Paul Egge for further color on the quarter.
Paul P. Egge:
Thanks, Bob, and good morning, everybody. We are pleased to report second quarter 2025 net income of $26.4 million or $0.51 per diluted share, which is up from net income of $24.7 million or $0.46 per share in the first quarter. These Q2 results represented an annualized ROAA of 1.01% and an annualized ROATCE of 12.16%. Key highlights of our Q2 performance were non-interest expense management and low credit costs, primarily due to low net charge- offs. Our balance sheet grew incrementally, thanks largely to deposit growth, while loans ended the quarter slightly up from the first quarter. During the second quarter, net interest income was $98.3 million, representing a slight decrease from the $99.3 million booked in the first quarter of 2025. This was due largely to lower earning assets and slightly lower net interest margin for the quarter. This translated into fill in healthy net interest margin of 4.18% in the second quarter relative to 4.2% in the first quarter. Purchase accounting accretion in the second quarter was $5.3 million, which was relatively flat compared to the $5.4 million in the first quarter. Excluding purchase accounting accretion, tax equivalent net interest income decreased slightly in the quarter to $93.1 million from $94 million in the prior quarter and net interest margin, excluding accretion, was 3.95%, down from 3.97% in the prior quarter. Margin performance during the second quarter was impacted by higher funding costs more than offsetting higher yields on earning assets, which resulted in that 2 basis point change versus the first quarter. We should note that, that first quarter benefited from some deposit seasonality that impacted deposit funding cost to the positive in that quarter. Second core margin, excluding purchase accounting accretion and the cost of deposits we experienced still reflect an incremental improvement from the fourth quarter of 2024. So we continue to feel good about our ability to defend and incrementally improve our top-tier margin profile. Walking further down the income statement, we booked a provision for credit losses of $1.1 million in the second quarter, which was driven primarily by an increase in our allowance for unfunded commitments, due to a nice increase in our unfunded loan commitments during the quarter. To a lesser extent, this was also driven by minimal -- this level of provision was driven by minimal net charge-offs. Our allowance for credit losses on loans ended the quarter at $83.2 million or 1.14% of loans, which is down 1 basis point from the 1.15% of loans that we had at the end of the first quarter. Moving on to non-interest income. We earned $5.8 million for the second quarter of 2025 versus $5.5 million in the first quarter. Here, we must note that second quarter benefited from additional earnings from Federal Reserve Bank dividend as a result of Stellar becoming a member of the Fed at the beginning of the second quarter. Next, non-interest expense for the quarter was essentially flat at approximately $70 million. This is better than planned and reflective of our focus on holding the line where we can on expenses. Our solid bottom line results have driven internal capital generation and our ability to maintain a very strong balance sheet and capital position. Total risk-based capital was 15.98% at the end of the second quarter relative to 15.97% at the end of the first quarter. Year-over- year tangible book value increased 10.8% from $18 per share to $19.94 per share and this is after the effect of dividend and some significant share repurchase activity over the last year. On the topic of share repurchases, we bought back 791,000 shares of our stock at a weighted average price of $26.08 per share during the quarter. In closing, we really like where we sit both financially and strategically. We are positioned to deliver positive operating leverage by adding more scale for the Stellar Bank platform and maintain a really strong balance sheet. We believe this will give us the financial flexibility to be opportunistic. Thank you, and I will now turn the call back over to Bob.
Robert R. Franklin:
Thank you, Paul. Operator, I think we're ready for questions. Thank you.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of David Feaster with Raymond James.
David Pipkin Feaster:
I wanted to start first on the growth outlook. We saw loans stabilize this quarter, which is encouraging. I was just hoping you could maybe touch on, on the competitive landscape for loans, kind of origination activity relative to payoffs and paydowns and some of the -- just, what's driving the payoffs and paydowns? And -- when do you think we can start seeing originations offset that headwind and growth start to accelerate?
Ramon A. Vitulli:
David, yes, so the originations is, as Bob mentioned, nearly doubled in the second quarter compared to the first. And our pipelines kind of support that level of continued originations. And when you look at the waterfall of what kind of where that needs to be, we've got a pretty good feel around where payoffs are. And a lot of those are coming from just trades of properties as they sell. But kind of at that level, we originated, call it, $640 million in the second quarter, and that kind of resulted in the slight growth. So we know that's probably the bar where the origination is greater than that, will result in some growth. The other component is, what we call, our carried, which is our advances less our payments. And because of the loans that we have been putting on, we should see a lift in future quarters in that area where in previous quarters, that's actually been a decrease for us, because of where we sit with unfunded in our loans book. So kind of the two factors to your question about going forward is continue on the origination path and then see those loans that book have some advances that will exceed the payments to give us a lift there. We like where these loans came -- where the rates came on for these loans, it's healthy as well. And even in, as you know, the markets we serve are extremely competitive, but we have -- our bankers are out on the street. We've had some new hires that are starting to get some traction. We've had wins in Dallas market and continue to have -- get some market share gains here in the Houston Beaumont region.
David Pipkin Feaster:
Okay. That's helpful. And maybe touching on the other side, the funding side. Obviously, there's been some noise there. I'm just curious, maybe the competitive landscape for funding in your markets, and just the strategy and ability to continue to drive core deposits going forward, and would you expect funding costs to kind of remain relatively stable or maybe increased? Just kind of curious your thoughts on the funding side.
Ramon A. Vitulli:
On time, we've seen a little bit of -- not so much on the competitive side on the time deposits. On the money market, there's absolutely competitive part there. And we've dealt with that through kind of what we call a measured approach with exception pricing where we need it. We're -- the second quarter in our net new, so our -- in terms of dollar of open loans closed was the highest in three quarters and the second highest in six quarters. And the mix of that 50% in the second quarter was to new customers that have not been at Stellar Bank before. So our approach and strategy is to expand our existing customer base, but then go out and kind of tackle what the market will give us, and we're well positioned for that.
David Pipkin Feaster:
Okay. And just last one for me. You guys have done a great job managing expenses. I'm curious, as you look at expenses going forward, is there more wood to chop on that front? Or just given the disruption around you, whether there could be some opportunities to maybe invest in new talent and maybe be a bit offensive here?
Paul P. Egge:
So, I'd characterize our expense management as holding the line where we can. And that is, so that we can be opportunistic when the right opportunities come up as opposed to kind of feeling like we're in a deficit on spend and more spend would kind of put us in a less optimal place. So the net effect of our strategy of holding the line where we can, opens up the possibility to be opportunistic, but it's still a dynamic where we're going to focus on holding the line where we can, so that the revenue growth outpaces the expense dynamics.
Robert R. Franklin:
Yes, David, I think from that standpoint, we are certainly open for new talent. I think, we're -- we don't stop looking for additional talent that would help us grow the bank. The nice part for us, I think, to some extent, is that -- the back office build around the things that we had to do over going over $10 billion is pretty well done. So we don't expect growth in that area, but we certainly are looking for additional talent to help grow the bank in the future. So we won't let that keep us from acquiring down.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of Will Jones with KBW.
William Bradford Jones:
So Paul, if I could just weave together some of the commentary on just maybe the deposit cost competition landscape. And just mirror that with your desire to see some growth in the back half of the year. Could you just piece out what the implications are for how the margin could trend as we move into the third and fourth quarters of this year?
Paul P. Egge:
So, we feel really good about our ability to defend our margin. There has been a little bit of mix shift in the kind of funding base, and that's been largely strategic. We've relied a little less on FHLB borrowings and brokered funds in the second quarter -- actually, I should say, relied a little less on FHLB borrowings and brokered CDs in the second quarter. And instead, relied on a lower cost alternative FHLB funding, which was an interest-bearing demand broker, which we've lowered our exposure to, but ultimately, that drove a little bit of the shift in cost in the kind of funding base during the second quarter relative to the first quarter. But really, we feel awesome about where we stand currently in terms of at our low -- relative low points on usage of wholesale funds at the end of the second quarter. And funding composition is what's going to drive our ability to drive improvements to margin. If it stays more consistent as it currently stands, we'll be able to go probably improve basis -- improve margins kind of on a basis point by basis point, nice, tight basis, if we're able to kind of continue to decrease our usage of wholesale funds, we may be able to drive a little better dynamic. So really, focusing on staying core is what's going to help us drive what we think is a structurally strong core margin in our business. To the extent we backslide, we like our ability to still defend where we're at.
William Bradford Jones:
Yes, that's great. I appreciate that helpful response. I know you talked in the past just about your desire to see securities balances grow a little bit. But as I look this quarter, they at least leveled out on an average basis here. Did you feel like you've done all you need to do in terms of building up that bond portfolio?
Paul P. Egge:
Yes, absolutely. I mean, we're still incrementally -- we're satisfied with the size of it, and we'd incrementally grow, grow to a degree, but it's -- we're focused on growing loans. We feel like we have a great liquid balance sheet. I'd say when you track the average balances in the second quarter versus the first quarter, the first quarter when we had benefited from the seasonality of our government banking business. We did incrementally invest in some securities in the latter such that you had higher average balances in the first quarter. So that is a seasonal anomaly. But where we were in the second quarter is pretty much where we want to be. And I would say, more on a percentage of asset basis. So we're able to grow assets, we'll try to maintain around the same percentage of asset dynamic that we currently hold.
William Bradford Jones:
Okay. Great. And then, excess capital that you guys have, I mean it's a high-cost problem, and you're deploying that somewhat through buybacks, but valuations have also moved a little bit from where you bought back in the first and second quarter. Does that still play a role near term? Or do you really lean more into the organic growth as you see that opportunity picking up?
Paul P. Egge:
Organic growth is the #1 use of capital that we want to engage in. And secondarily, there's other strategic uses of capital for which we feel like we benefit from optimal flexibility on that front. And then last, share repurchases are an awesome tool for us. We were very active in the first half of the year. Our demand for share repurchases is really graduated based on price. So we're going to be -- as you guys might have seen in the first half of the year, we're able and willing to be pretty aggressive when we feel like that dynamic is merited.
William Bradford Jones:
Understood.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] At this time, your next question comes from Matt Olney with Stephens.
Matthew Covington Olney:
Thanks. Good morning, everybody. I want to go back to the loan growth discussion and dig in more to the originations that improved this quarter that Bob noted. Any color on the mix of originations? I know you guys have been working hard, building out kind of C&I, more of a middle market strategy over the last year or so. Just any color on that progress and just the overall origination mix?
Ramon A. Vitulli:
Matt, the -- no, it's as you mentioned, the -- we've had a good mix of C&I in that -- in there. We got down to really low levels on our concentrations on CRE and C&D. So there's a little backfill in those areas as well. But we continue to push and look at opportunities on the C&I side, and we're pleased with where that's been, not only in the second quarter, but just over the past few quarters of our mix, in the C&I front. So it's kind of all across the board, not -- it looks similar to how we've originated. It's just a higher absolute dollar amounts.
Matthew Covington Olney:
Okay. I appreciate that. And then, I want to go back on to the expense discussion. And Paul, you mentioned the bank has done a nice job, kind of, holding the line so far this year and it looks like expenses are pretty flat year-over-year through the first half of the year. Based on where we're at today, do you think it's reasonable to assume expenses just continue to remain flat for the remainder of the year in '25 as compared to '24, absent any of those investments that you will be opportunistic looking for?
Paul P. Egge:
Absent opportunistic investment, that's the goal, is hold the line right here. We're really pleased with the fact that, we've been able to outperform our -- where we initially budgeted and where we initially kind of positioned the expense story. And we're really pleased with us actually kind of meeting last year's guidance and beating this year's guidance. So that's the goal. But part and parcel to that is having that flexibility to be opportunistic.
Matthew Covington Olney:
Yes. Okay. Makes sense. And then, on the discussion around the core margin, I think we've talked about kind of an intermediate-term goal is getting back to that 4% margin and we talked on this call about the deposit cost competition, a little bit more of a headwind now than before. Is that 4% core margin? Is that still a reasonable goal? And do you see any kind of potential Fed cut that we could see later on this year and next year? Do you see that benefiting the margin as you stand today? Or is that potentially more of a headwind if that were to happen?
Paul P. Egge:
It will benefit the margin. I mean, when you get the rate cuts, you find that we have a little bit of kind of initial adjustment noise that's hard to parse out. But by and large, the normalization of the yield curve is going to benefit us in the industry. We really like where we sit, and we still have point-to-point inversions, and especially where we can play in the yield curve. So with the front end coming down, if and when you have the rate cuts, that has -- opens up more kind of structural opportunity for our margin to continue to improve in the medium term. Immediately, there could be a little bit of noise. But we like where we sit, and we like and we were -- if it is our intention to scratch and claw back up to a 4 handle on margins.
Matthew Covington Olney:
Okay. I appreciate the commentary, Paul. And then on the capital front, you mentioned the buyback on a previous question. What about, I think, you also talked about -- earlier this year, you paid down some debt. It seems like there's maybe another tranche or two of debt that could be redeemed. Just any update on the debt at this point?
Paul P. Egge:
We're looking at that kind of in conjunction. It's in the playbook with share repurchases and how we think about kind of the uses of our excess here. So we are evaluating that really in line with the other options out there. So it's certainly there for us to consider.
Matthew Covington Olney:
Okay. And then, I guess just on M&A, we've seen a flurry of deals in your backyard over last few weeks, which is great to see. I'm just curious about the bank's M&A discussions and talking about potential partners. Just any update on maybe the pace of those conversations more recently.
Robert R. Franklin:
Yes, Matt, I think, the pace of the conversations have been fairly ticked up a bit. And I think one of the things for us is just to make sure we're mindful to stay disciplined around pricing. And I think, some of the exuberance sometimes causes some disruption around on pricing for some of these things. But I think we always make sure that we want to not do any damage to the franchise that we already have. And -- but we are still seeking partners to help build the balance sheet, build the bank, and there's still some opportunities out there for us. And so we're going to continue those discussions.
Operator:
Your next question comes from the line of John Rodis with Janney.
John Lawrence Rodis:
Yes. I guess most of my questions have been asked and answered. But Paul, maybe just one on the other income line item. You highlighted the Fed dividend. So all things equal going forward in the second half, does the other income line probably trend back more towards sort of the first quarter level?
Paul P. Egge:
Yes, there is some lumpy pieces that fall into other income. One of them is our SBIC income, which sometimes can add some lumpiness to it. But the key and ongoing component to other income is going to be the new entrant of these dividends as a byproduct of holding Fed stock and being a Fed member. So that's going to go on in perpetuity. Some of the other dynamics, I can't promise that there won't be volatility in that line. But net-net, what drove most of the difference between the first quarter and the second quarter is an ongoing benefit.
Operator:
I will now turn the call back over to Bob for closing remarks.
Robert R. Franklin:
Thank you, operator, and thank you to all of you that have joined the call this morning and we are adjourned. Thank you.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

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