STEL (2025 - Q1)

Release Date: Apr 25, 2025

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Key Insights:

  • Noninterest expenses decreased by $5.1 million to $70.2 million from $75.3 million in Q4, reflecting timing and cost control efforts.
  • Provision for loan losses was $3.6 million with minimal net charge-offs of $163,000, increasing allowance for credit losses to 1.15% of loans from 1.09%.
  • Balance sheet shrunk on a point-to-point basis due to seasonal government deposit outflows and loan decreases, resulting in a smaller but stronger core balance sheet.
  • Tangible book value per share increased 14.3% year-over-year to $19.69, despite dividends and share repurchases.
  • Capital ratios remain strong with total risk-based capital at 15.94% at quarter-end, slightly down from 16% in Q2 2024 but up from 14.02% in Q2 2023.
  • First quarter 2025 net income was $24.7 million or $0.46 per diluted share, with an annualized return on average assets of 94 basis points and return on average tangible common equity of 11.48%.
  • Net interest income for Q1 was $99.3 million, down from $103 million in Q4 2024, mainly due to lower purchase accounting accretion and two fewer days in the quarter.
  • Net interest margin was 4.2% in Q1 versus 4.25% in Q4 2024; excluding purchase accounting accretion, margin improved slightly to 3.97% from 3.94%.
  • Noninterest income was $5.5 million in Q1, up from $5 million in Q4, helped by small gains on asset sales.
  • Cost control will continue with a focus on holding expenses while investing thoughtfully in growth initiatives.
  • Net interest margin is expected to improve incrementally, with a goal to reach a 4% core margin excluding purchase accounting accretion, but management prefers to underpromise and overdeliver given uncertainties.
  • Management remains cautious due to macroeconomic uncertainties including tariff policies and trade wars but optimistic about market opportunities and customer acquisition.
  • Capital allocation priorities include continued share repurchases, potential subordinated debt redemption, and maintaining flexibility for M&A opportunities.
  • They anticipate low to mid-single digit loan growth for the year, with growth driven by new originations and advances exceeding payments in the second half.
  • Management expects loan growth to be back-loaded to the third and fourth quarters of 2025 due to economic uncertainty and paydowns.
  • The company is reconfiguring its loan portfolio to reduce concentration in construction & development (C&D) and commercial real estate (CRE) loans to align with a larger bank profile.
  • Operational challenges include managing paydowns in commercial real estate loans and navigating economic uncertainty related to tariffs and trade policies.
  • The competitive deposit market is intense, but the bank continues to gain market share through its brand and customer acquisition efforts.
  • The bank maintains a strong focus on noninterest bearing deposits, which represent over 37% of the deposit base, helping margin performance.
  • Deposit growth remains strong with new account originations increasing quarter-over-quarter and low account closures, including 40% new customers among new accounts.
  • Loan originations have shown improvement in recent quarters, with a growing pipeline indicating potential for increased future originations.
  • Management expressed confidence in the bank’s positioning despite economic headwinds and emphasized a balanced approach to capital allocation between growth, buybacks, and dividends.
  • CEO Robert Franklin emphasized a disciplined credit approach amid economic uncertainty and tariff impacts, focusing on customer acquisition and cautious growth.
  • CFO Paul Egge highlighted strong financial results, cost management success, and capital strength enabling share repurchases and flexibility.
  • Management stressed the importance of building a strong foundation for future scale and delivering positive operating leverage during 2025.
  • Leadership noted the strategic priority of maintaining a core bank model with organic growth and selective capital deployment.
  • There is ongoing dialogue about M&A opportunities, primarily with private entities, but no immediate transactions are planned due to market conditions.
  • Margin outlook questions were addressed with expectations of incremental improvement in deposit costs and core net interest margin, though gains may be modest going forward.
  • Capital strategy inquiries covered share repurchases, potential subordinated debt redemption, and M&A; management confirmed flexibility and ongoing evaluation of options.
  • Expense management was discussed with management noting timing-related cost savings in Q1 and a commitment to disciplined expense control while investing in growth.
  • Analysts asked about loan growth prospects, client sentiment, and the impact of paydowns; management indicated cautious optimism with growth expected in the second half of 2025.
  • Questions on deposit trends revealed strong new account growth and low closures, with management noting intense competition but success in market share gains.
  • Credit quality questions focused on nonaccruals in owner-occupied CRE; management attributed issues to management problems rather than tariffs and maintained a conservative underwriting stance.
  • The competitive landscape for deposits is described as intense, requiring ongoing focus on customer acquisition and deposit mix optimization.
  • No regulatory updates were specifically mentioned, but management discussed risk factors including economic uncertainty and tariff impacts.
  • Sustainability or innovation topics were not explicitly covered in the call.
  • The company emphasized its strong capital position as a key external influence enabling strategic flexibility.
  • Management highlighted the importance of maintaining strong credit underwriting standards focused on primary cash flow sources.
  • The merger of two small community banks into a $10 billion asset bank has led to a strategic rebalancing of the loan portfolio to better fit a larger institution profile.
  • Management’s cautious tone reflects macroeconomic uncertainties but also a clear strategic focus on disciplined growth and capital optimization.
  • The bank’s approach to capital management balances organic growth, opportunistic M&A, and shareholder returns through buybacks and dividends.
  • There is a notable emphasis on maintaining a strong brand and customer relationships as a competitive advantage in a challenging market environment.
Complete Transcript:
STEL:2025 - Q1
Courtney Theriot:
At the conclusion of our remarks, we will open the line and allow time for questions. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Franklin, Jr. Robert Franklin,
Robert Franklin, Jr.:
Thank you, Courtney. Good morning, everyone. And welcome to the Stellar Bancorp, Inc. first quarter earnings call. I begin by thanking our outstanding team at Stellar whose solid work continues to build a strong financial institution for our communities. As we entered 2025, we spoke of our focus on the customer, internal, existing, and prospective. Our focus is unchanged. We must acknowledge, however, that the administration has introduced a fair amount of uncertainty into the economy. Though it is too early to see signs of impact, in all on our communities. Our team will remain disciplined around credit as we monitor the impact of the new tariff policies on our customers and our communities. We continue to see opportunities for new customer acquisition. And our pipelines are growing. While we are also seeing significant commercial real estate pay downs, as interest rates begin to stabilize. Given these conditions and the economic climate, we will proceed cautiously. Challenges also provide opportunity. We took advantage of our strong capital position to return capital to our shareholders through meaningful share repurchases during the first quarter. The repurchases are in line with our goal to manage our capital to the benefit of our shareholders. We remain focused on building the great foundation our team has put in place. Given the economic uncertainty of the first quarter, we believe that growth will be pushed to the third and fourth quarters of the year. Although conditions make us cautious, our dynamic markets and our team keep us optimistic. I will now turn the call over to Paul Egge, our CFO, for more details on the quarter.
Paul Egge:
Thanks, Bob, and good morning, everybody. We are very pleased with our first quarter 2025 net income of $24.7 million or $0.46 per diluted share, which represents an annualized return on average assets of 94 basis points and an annualized return on average tangible common equity of 11.48%. Key highlights of our first quarter performance included a reduction of noninterest expenses and a meaningful repurchase of common stock along with the continuation of core net interest margin progress after seeing inflection during Q2 2024. Our balance sheet shrunk during the quarter on a point-to-point basis, largely due to the seasonal outflow of government banking deposits and cash balances that had significantly inflated our balance sheet at year-end, which we acknowledged during our last earnings call. Looking at it on an average basis, linked quarter decrease in assets was much less significant and more reflective of the decrease in loans experienced during the quarter. The net result is a smaller but stronger and more core balance sheet. With a very strong capital position. That's notwithstanding our share repurchase activity during the quarter. And if not for two less days to earn interest in the first quarter, earnings would have been up relative to the prior quarter. Notwithstanding broader economic uncertainty, we believe we are well positioned to return to a reasonable level of growth during the year. Albeit later than initially planned. An incremental growth will position us well to deliver operating leverage and earnings improvement in Q2 2025. Net interest income for the quarter was $99.3 million, representing a decrease from the $103 million booked in the fourth quarter. This was largely due to lower purchasing accounting accretion and two less days to earn interest due to the ninety-day quarter. This translated into a net interest margin of 4.2% in the first quarter relative to 4.25% in the fourth quarter of 2024. Purchase accounting accretion in the first quarter was $5.4 million relative to $7.6 million in the fourth quarter. Excluding purchase accounting accretion, tax equivalent net interest income decreased slightly in the quarter to $94 million from $95.5 million in the prior quarter, and net interest margin excluding purchase accounting accretion 3.97% up from 3.94% in the prior quarter. Key drivers to the strong margin performance during the first quarter included the relative stability in maintaining a strong proportion of noninterest bearing deposits, which represented over 37% of our deposit base, a 14 basis point improvement in our cost of funds, driven by a 21 basis point improvement in our cost of interest bearing liabilities. Also, we had incrementally higher securities yields and pretty strong loan yields after excluding purchase accounting accretion. Walking further down the income statement, we booked a provision for loan losses from the first quarter of $3.6 million. Combination with minimal net charge offs of $163,000 during the quarter, This brings our allowance for credit losses on loans to $83.7 million or 1.15% of loans, from $81.1 million or 1.09% of loans at the end of the prior year. Moving on to net noninterest income. We earned $5.5 million for the first quarter, versus $5 million in the fourth quarter. Noting that the first quarter benefited from small gains on sales of assets. Next, noninterest expense for the quarter was down $5.1 million to $70.2 million from $75.3 million in noninterest expense during the fourth quarter. This is better than planned and reflective of both some timing driven dynamics our focus on holding the line on expenses where we can. Our strong bottom line results have driven a continuation of our track record of growing our regulatory capital ratios and tangible book value per share since the merger. Total risk based capital was 15.94% at the end of the first quarter, relative to 16% at the end of Q2 2024, 14.02% at the end of Q2 2023. Our regulatory capital ratios at the bank actually picked up. Year over year, tangible book value per share increased 14.3% from $17.23 to $19.69 per share. And that is after the effect of both dividends and the share repurchases. We continue to like our prospect for strong internal capital generation and the optionality that it creates. Which we feel is very valuable in the current operating environment. During the first quarter, we acted on this optionality through share repurchases buying back 1.4 million shares of our stock at a weighted average price $27.99 per share. Additionally, we repurchased 679,000 shares at a weighted average price of $25.83 per share, since the end of the first quarter. Representing in total nearly 4% of our shares outstanding at year end. Board of directors also authorized a new share repurchase program, which allows us to repurchase up to $65 million in shares through February. While our preference would be to deploy capital through growth and M&A, we appreciate having the flexibility to pursue capital optimization through buybacks when appropriate. In closing, we really like where we sit, both financially and strategically. We've laid the foundation to support adding more scale to the Stellar Bank platform and it remains our goal to deliver positive operating leverage during the year. While maintaining a really strong balance sheet and the financial flexibility to be opportunistic. Thank you, and I will now turn the call back over to Bob.
Robert Franklin, Jr.:
Thank you, Paul. I think, operator, we're ready for questions.
Operator:
At this time, I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question.
David Feaster:
Press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. The first question comes from David Feaster from Raymond James. Your line is open.
Robert Franklin, Jr.:
Good morning, everybody. I want to start on the loan side. Know, it sounds like we're cautiously optimistic for about potential for accelerating growth. That this might, you know, hopefully, kind of the the the trough here. Did you just I guess, first off, touch on on the pulse of your clients. Obviously, there's a the ton of uncertainty out there. So I'd I'd be curious. What are you hearing from your clients and just how the pipeline's trending? And how much of this decline is a function of payoffs and paydowns being elevated and higher than expected versus slower originations you just given the uncertainty? Let let let me set this up a little bit, and then I want I want Ray to come in and and and fill in. One of the things we do we've been focused on, David, is is I mean, I I think when you see it when you when you see an MOE come together, especially the way ours did is two real community, small community banks, And and then combine into a bank that's over $10 billion in assets. There's some there's some redistribution of how the the loan the loan book should look. And we've been attempting to to kind of reconfigure what that what the loan side of our balance sheet looks like. In other words, be able to do across the board any type of loan that we wanna do without being totally reliant on these sort of smaller real estate loans and that that we had we had all done in the past as a as a smaller community bank. So across the board, be able to do the things that that we wanna do. So there's a real better real focus on it. And letting some of this stuff roll out. So we had we were at we started this journey, we were over the the regulatory guidance in in both categories, both C&D and and CRE. So what we've what we've done is focused on getting those balances back down to what looks more like a larger a larger bank balance sheet. So we've we've done that. We continue to see some of that roll off that we've really kind of focused on letting roll off. And then as we add to it, it's a little bit different focus on what we're adding to it. But I'm gonna let Ray fill in the the gaps here.
Ramon Vitulli:
Thanks, Bob. I'll get David on the your question around pipeline and kind of the the waterfall, So in in the first quarter, our loan originations and this kinda goes to this the build of the pipeline and what we're seeing, If you compare it to the past four quarters, we've had two good quarters of a solid originations that were in excess of the quarter 'twenty four and third quarter 'twenty four. So fourth quarter of 'twenty four and first quarter trending in the right direction, and it supports what we're seeing in the pipeline as far as deal flow as well as just the absolute value of the pipeline both in expansion of our existing customer base and new market share gain opportunities. So if you look at where that's building, it's it it's so long as we can convert, it'll continue to generate higher loan originations and then we've gotta see where those fund. But if they fund the way we think they're gonna fund, that obviously gives us a lift to offset the payoffs, which have been about it, $275 to $300 million a quarter. The the other component of the waterfall that it really kinda goes to what Bob just talked about is that what we call our carried loans, which is our advances less our payments on the whole book. And because of the posture that Bob mentioned, you know, that has not given us a a a to the positive list in the carried, which will help the overall loan growth story, which we as we as we said, we should be in the second half of the year. You know, the we're seeing a little bit of growth in what in our unfunded commitments, which is good, which is kind of a leading indicator for that. So so we feel good about it. You know, our our team is laser focused. We know what's needed on the origination side in order to generate the growth. And, to your question about customer sentiment, it's kinda the the way we're talking about it. Still early to tell We have seen maybe some pull through of things like maybe some inventory purchases early. But but we still think it's it's too early in that aspect. And, as far as deal flow, we're seeing on a in committee and what we're seeing in the pipelines, it's it's positive.
Robert Franklin, Jr.:
Okay. Okay. That's great color. And could maybe just touching on the deposits side. I mean, you used some pretty strong language in the in the press release. Saying the market's, you know, intensely competitive. Could you just elaborate on that and and touch on some of the the trends you're seeing? Obviously, exclusive of the government deposits, You know? Just where are you having success winning new relationships, How do think about core deposit growth and opportunities to further you know, optimize funding and maybe, you know, drive some you know, further improvements in deposit costs even exclusive of Fed cuts. Well, we we still we we really like our new account. Origination story. So you know, first quarter, onboarded in both number and dollar amount more than the fourth quarter. The mid mix is is consistent with our overall bank mid mix. And, you know, you you got also can't talk about new accounts without closed accounts. And closed accounts were were it's the lowest level in four quarters. So, and of that of those new accounts, close to 40% were to customers that weren't here before, which we we really love that trend. I think it it talks about the stellar brand. We sit in the market. Our bet our success in having doors open for us, And we continue, you know, as we're six in the the MSA and deposit market share, kind of the opportunity to continue to take market share gains.
Paul Egge:
And that's notwithstanding our track record of not really being a market leader in in price. We don't buy our deposit base. We work we work the hard way, it's reflective of the new account openings being skewed towards the way we want it. A lot of non interest bearing deposits and things along those lines.
Robert Franklin, Jr.:
Okay. That's great. And then just maybe shifting gears to credit quickly. You know, not not surprising to see some migration in non accruals. Seems like it's across several segments, but maybe notably in in CRE. You know, obviously, you got a track record of being really conservative on on credit. Very disappointed. I was just hoping you could touch on what you're seeing on the credit side and and maybe what you're watching more closely and especially anything that you're maybe more concerned with just given the trade wars, tariff issues, those impacts, all of those all those issues. Yep. This is Joe. You know, we're migration was in the owner occupied CRE. Not for I I wouldn't classify it as anything related to to tariffs or just some over occupied CRE with management issues. And then we we noticed that and and granted it appropriately and put appropriate reserves against it. What we're seeing, as Ray said, it's a little early in this tariff issue to to know how it's going to affect it. There's a lot of talking, but we haven't really seen, too much in the way of, of any deteriorating financial reports from the customers. So I I think we're we're it's a wait and see attitude, but we're we're just taking you know, cautious approach to it as we examine new credits. And, you know, we've and, just wait and see what happens. Has there been any adjustments to to underwriting or risk ratings or or management as a result of this? No. I mean, we've always had a strong focus on on primary sources of cash flow. We'll continue to do that as we grade our credits and look at our credits. We wanna know how we're gonna get paid back and then what's the secondary source of repayment to be that will follow on behind that. If it's coming from a credit enhancement, like guarantee or additional collateral. But, no. It's it's just a strong focus on operating cash flow. Okay. Terrific. Thanks, everybody. You too.
Operator:
The next question comes from Matt Olney from Stephens. Your line is open.
Matt Olney:
Hey. Thanks. Good morning, guys. Wanna dig more into to good morning, dig more into capital. I think Paul mentioned the act of buyback in the first quarter. And even even more activity in in recent weeks. I think that makes a lot of sense considering the valuation and and and the capital Just love to hear just updated thoughts from from Capital from here, including consideration for additional debt redemption just with the context, of course, of of just economic uncertainty.
Robert Franklin, Jr.:
Yeah, Matt. I think, you know, we're we continue with the same posture that we've had on try to decide what the what the right use of the capital is. We continue to to build capital at a pretty significant rate. There's some sub debt that that we are thinking about possibly retiring. I think we wait at versus the benefits of of what buybacks might be or what refinancing that debt might look like and what benefits of that are, but we're losing capital treatment on some of the that's sub debt. So it's we're gonna make a decision around that a little later. In the year, but we continue to to to build capital which allows us some flexibility. It's certainly enough capital for for what we think our growth is gonna be over the next couple of years. And so have the ability to use it for some other things at this point. We haven't given up on M&A. I think M&A is still out there for us, although I think it's been put on hold, like a lot of them. Folks. But I think people are still talking. We're still talking. We're still talking to folks. About transactions I think it's a little bit different if you think about public to public versus public to private. Those conversations are a bit different. And most of ours tend to be with the private at this point. But so all of these things are still on the table, and I think we're gonna have to balance out over the rest of the year as to to what the best place and utilization of that capital is. But that's kinda how we're approaching it.
Matt Olney:
Okay. Appreciate that. And I guess other other capital options, some of the know, that your that your peers are are considering at this point. I'm curious if this is on on your radar or far as, you know, a focus, just whether it's think, security purchases, whether it's kind of a smaller wholesale trade, with some wholesale funding, or or even a few years ago, I think you guys purchased some loans as well. Are are are those other options that are being considered, or is is the focus still on like you said, that the buyback with the kind of a longer term mile on M&A?
Robert Franklin, Jr.:
Yeah. I mean, we're we're we're a core bank, and and this is this is where we keep our focus. We don't manage this thing on a quarter by quarter basis. We've got a very good game plan around what we want this to look like. In the markets that we're in. And we're on track to build this bank the way that we think that it ought to be built in our market. So to do something on an ad hoc basis is probably not in our DNA. So we're gonna continue on an organic basis to focus on our our the great markets that we're in. Look for opportunities to to add the partnership with with some someone else in the future. And then we can look at dividends or buybacks as those opportunities arise. I think we we tend to like buybacks just because of from a tax standpoint, it seems to be a little bit better way to return cap to shareholders. Although, you know, dividends are nice also. So we'll continue to manage that as we go along.
Paul Egge:
Yeah. And and for what it's worth, you've seen both. You've seen the increased dividends in the fourth quarter, and we've chosen to be selectively active on the share repurchase. So we we appreciate that flexibility, and we think we sit at the catbird seat relating to having a lot of plenty of options and ability to do a lot of things. But I'll end where Bob started. Our goal is to continue to be a core bank.
Matt Olney:
Okay. Appreciate the commentary there. And then, I guess, switching gears, the other positive theme in the quarter that I saw was just a nice improvement on your interest bearing deposit cost. We'd love to appreciate just how much more room you think you have to to bring that down, whether the Fed kinda stays put or continues to cut rates and then for margin, ticks a little bit higher, love to appreciate your view of kind of the the outlook there. Thanks.
Paul Egge:
Certainly. Well, the first quarter, we saw the what I'll call, full quarter impact of a lot of the rate activity you saw in the back half of the year. Including in the fourth quarter. And it's we work every day to try and optimize that mix, but we we kinda see that we've gotten most of what we could out of that. Note our cost of deposits did not skew as high as a lot of our peers. So know, we're we're gonna continue to to work on working that down. But, ultimately, it's it's gonna continue to be a slog. I don't think we're gonna have or you'll the world will see the same kind of improvement in from the in the second quarter from the first quarter. But day by day, you know, that's our job, continue to drive an optimal mix deposits and try to grow that base. So we'll be working just as hard, but the incremental return in terms of improvement is gonna be hard to compete with this prior quarter's improvement.
Matt Olney:
Okay. And and, Paul, I guess the last part of that question was just around the core margin, I think, the 3.97% ex the accretion. Would love to hear thoughts on kinda directionally where where that could go.
Paul Egge:
Well, we're pleased with showing incremental improvement, three basis points quarter over quarter. Our goal would be to get a four handle back on our core net interest margin, excluding purchase accounting adjustments. And, we think we're on that path. It's just given a lot of the uncertainty, we we'd rather underpromise and outperform on that front. Think every basis point from here is is gonna be a win, and, we're we're just keeping our nose down to drive a core balance sheet. And with that, we'll we believe, will come, incremental improvement. But we're already in rare air so, every basis point we get from here is is gonna be considered pretty good win, and we're gonna continue to work on it.
Matt Olney:
Okay. For taking my questions. I'll step back.
Operator:
Again? If do have a question, kindly press star followed by the number one. The next question comes from Will Jones from KBW. Your line is open.
Will Jones:
Yeah. Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for the questions. You're welcome. So I wanted to circle back to the growth conversation. Ray, maybe if you could just help us frame what you kind of see and know is upcoming on the paydown front. I know it's been obviously a headwind for you guys, but more so a headwind for the broader industry. So just just so we understand what what the what the bar to chin is on on the pay down front. And then just just to the the comments about growth being more back loaded, I I know that you guys are used to kinda growing in that five to 8% range. Would you expect we would kind of immediately get back to that that level, or or is it really more of a slow grind higher as we move into the latter half of 2025? Yeah. Will, I'm payoffs, I mean, I think what we what we feel the kind of the behavior of the portfolio is something like $275 to $300 million a quarter is kinda what we're what we're what we're experienced in absolute dollar terms. On the growth side, you know, I think we we talked about going into the years more like low to mid single digits and you know, obviously, we had the down in the first quarter. But, again, as I as I said earlier, it's gonna really come in in two areas. One is the just the what's funded of new production then also where we where we start to see advances exceed payments. So you know, I think as we as we see that pipeline build and those originations start to increase, that that should result in in getting us over the payoffs and turn into growth. But, again, as Bob mentioned in the beginning, we think that'll be in the last second half of the year.
Will Jones:
Yeah. Great. Okay. That's helpful color right there. I wanted to also circle back just just on the margin. I I appreciate the new slides on the repricing slide. That that's really great. It really helps kinda frame and visualize what would the fixed, repricing opportunity is. And and it really seems like, you know, moving beyond 2025 that there's still a a pretty meaningful you know, repricing story out there. But just curious today on on new loans, where where you're seeing pricing come in and and what you're kinda seeing from a competitive standpoint on on loan pricing?
Ramon Vitulli:
Yeah. Well, I mean, it is it is competitive for the good loan. So but first quarter, our loan originations came on at a weighted average rate of 7.29%. And our, renewed loans, came on at 7.48%.
Will Jones:
Okay. And are are you still sticking kinda within the same, you know, fixed versus variable SKU in in in terms of the, broader it's really kind of more of a fifty fifty mix.
Ramon Vitulli:
Correct. On the on on the new. Yeah. On on what's coming on new. Yeah.
Will Jones:
Okay. Great. And then just just lastly for me. I mean, Paul Paul, the expense story this quarter was really, you know, quite positive. I know we kinda talked about being more in that $295 million range for this year. I know it's not as simple as just analyzing what what you guys did this quarter and like there may be a little bit of timing differences with with some costs that are coming through. But you just help us appreciate where you see expenses trending maybe into the next quarter and the balance of the year?
Paul Egge:
Certainly. We we work every day on expenses, and we would caution against, annualizing the first quarter. Although, we we have our notes to Crimestone as it relates to to managing expenses, but also we wanna be as thoughtful as possible about continuing to invest in the business and what's gonna drive growth in a go forward basis. So we we look at this quarter as something that we can hold our heads high with respect to and know, we like our chances of of beating that prior guidance. But we we will continue to see incremental investment while while always holding the line where we can. Some of I probably got 50% of the the relative beat there was on timing related things that are likely gonna come later in the month, particularly as it relates professional services fees. And and certain external audits and things along those lines. That that have to get done on a time in a timely manner. So not all of it will get pushed into the next year, but we are, as diligent as we've ever been and we're very pleased with our performance on expenses year to date.
Will Jones:
Yeah. Okay. Great. Well, nice work there. For the questions, guys. Cool.
Operator:
That concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the call over to Robert Franklin, Jr. for closing remarks.
Robert Franklin, Jr.:
Very good. Thank you very much for joining our first quarter call. And with that, have a great weekend.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining, and you may now disconnect.

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