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ARR (2025 - Q2)

Release Date: Jul 25, 2025

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Current Financial Performance

ARMOUR Residential REIT Q2 2025 Highlights

$78.6 million
GAAP Net Loss
$33.1 million
Net Interest Income
$64.9 million
Distributable Earnings
$0.94
EPS

Period Comparison Analysis

GAAP Net Income/Loss

$78.6 million loss
Current
Previous:$24.3 million income
223.5% QoQ

GAAP Net Income/Loss

$78.6 million loss
Current
Previous:$51.3 million loss
53.2% YoY

Net Interest Income

$33.1 million
Current
Previous:$36.3 million
8.8% QoQ

Distributable Earnings

$64.9 million
Current
Previous:$64.6 million
0.5% QoQ

Distributable Earnings per Share

$0.77
Current
Previous:$0.86
10.5% QoQ

Book Value per Share

$16.90
Current
Previous:$18.59
9.1% QoQ

Book Value per Share

$16.90
Current
Previous:$20.30
16.7% YoY

Common Stock Dividends

$0.72
Current
Previous:$0.72

Key Financial Metrics

Management Fees Waived

$1.65 million

Total Expenses After Fees Waived

$14.3 million

Monthly Dividend per Share

$0.24

Portfolio Duration

0.46 years

Implied Leverage

8 turns

Liquidity

52% of total capital

Financial Guidance & Outlook

Dividend per Share

$0.24

July 30, 2025 payment

Dividend per Share

$0.24

August 29, 2025 payment

Leverage Strategy

Flexible, may modestly increase

Based on spread attractiveness and liquidity stability

Hedge Position

33% treasury shorts/futures, 67% swaps

Dynamic duration management

Surprises

Q2 GAAP Net Loss

$78.6 million

ARMOUR's Q2 GAAP net loss related to common stockholders was $78.6 million or $0.94 per common share.

Net Interest Income

$33.1 million

Net interest income was $33.1 million.

Distributable Earnings

$64.9 million

Distributable earnings available to common stockholders was $64.9 million or $0.77 per common share.

Capital Raised in Q2

$104.6 million

During Q2, ARMOUR raised approximately $104.6 million of capital by issuing approximately 6.3 million shares of common stock through an at-the-market offering program.

Capital Raised Since June 30

$58.8 million

Since June 30, we have raised approximately $58.8 million of capital by issuing approximately 3.5 million shares of common stock through an at-the-market offering program.

MBS to SOFR Spread Widening

10 basis points

The MBS to SOFR spreads have consolidated back towards an average of the spread levels observed in 2025. They widened by approximately 10 basis points quarter-over-quarter and remain historically cheap.

Impact Quotes

We think that spreads remain historically attractive. And for that reason, we could potentially look to even modestly increase our leverage here.

Our leverage strategy is very flexible and designed to reflect our view on the attractiveness of spreads, market volatility, and liquidity.

We determine our dividend based on a medium-term outlook. We view our current dividend as appropriate for this environment and the returns available.

We feel like it's just a question of if not when we start to see greater participation from the banks, and this will be the tailwind that we outlined.

We are positioned for a bullish steepener, and we adjust our hedges appropriately. It's pretty dynamic and based on our view of the macroeconomic environment.

Less volatility, more stability means that the model can take a little more leverage.

We still like to use interest rate swaps as the main hedge instrument. It's a cheaper hedge, but treasuries have been a more effective hedge as of late.

ARMOUR's approach remains unchanged: grow and deploy capital thoughtfully during spread dislocations, maintain robust liquidity and dynamically adjust hedges for disciplined risk management.

Notable Topics Discussed

  • Management highlighted the stable macroeconomic environment with rates and spreads settling into ranges after initial shocks from fiscal debates and trade tensions.
  • The company maintains a focus on high carry production Agency MBS, with a portfolio concentrated in 30-year coupons, Ginnie Mae, and DUS pools, emphasizing positive convexity and short duration attributes.
  • Management sees current spreads as attractive, with potential for leverage increases as market stability improves, especially if the Fed resumes easing.
  • ARMOUR employs a balanced hedge book with about 33% in treasury shorts and futures, and the remainder in OIS and SOFR swaps, to manage duration and respond tactically to yield curve movements.
  • The company views 5-year treasuries as a pivotal hedge proxy for Agency CMBS, using them to rotate among asset classes based on spread movements.
  • Management prefers interest rate swaps for cost-effective hedging but recognizes treasuries as more effective for certain market conditions.
  • Bank demand has been disappointing year-to-date, but management is closely watching regulatory developments, including a Fed capital framework conference.
  • Banks hold record excess capital, and there is industry-wide momentum to simplify capital frameworks, which could lead to increased participation and demand for MBS later this year.
  • The 30-year fixed mortgage rate near 6.75% has dampened refinancing activity, creating a favorable environment for high carry Agency MBS investments.
  • Prepayment rates remain benign at around 8.3 CPR in Q3, with no signs of material acceleration unless mortgage rates drop significantly.
  • Management favors higher loan balance and credit pools with favorable convexity and prepayment profiles.
  • Current wide spreads signal strong risk-to-reward incentives for owning mortgage assets.
  • Evolving regulatory clarity and potential Fed easing are seen as catalysts that could improve structural demand for MBS.
  • The company expects spreads to remain attractive, with spreads widening by about 10 basis points quarter-over-quarter, but still at historically cheap levels.
  • ARMOUR's portfolio is concentrated in production MBS with ROEs of 18-20%, diversified across coupons, Ginnie Mae, and DUS pools.
  • The company maintains a light TBA exposure (~$300 million) as a tactical tool for coupon management.
  • Reinvestment strategies focus on production coupons (5.5% and 6%) to enhance convexity and returns.
  • Current leverage is below historical averages, with a willingness to modestly increase leverage as market stability improves.
  • Management emphasizes disciplined risk management, avoiding large bets, and reacting to market stability signals.
  • The company is cautious but optimistic about increasing leverage if liquidity and volatility conditions stabilize further.
  • Q2 expenses were slightly higher due to professional fees related to ongoing initiatives, but not expected to be a trend.
  • Hedge costs and derivatives are managed separately from operational expenses, with derivatives reflecting interest rate movements.
  • Management expresses confidence in their strategic positioning, emphasizing disciplined growth and risk management.
  • They see current spreads and market conditions as favorable for deploying capital and generating attractive returns.
  • The ongoing reform efforts at the GSEs and the potential for retaining government guarantees are viewed as positive, though not imminent, developments.
  • Management believes regulatory clarity and banking sector participation will be key drivers for future demand and market stability.

Key Insights:

  • A resumption of the Fed cutting cycle this year is expected to reignite liquidity flow into Agency MBS.
  • ARMOUR aims to pay an attractive and stable dividend over the medium term.
  • ARMOUR is optimistic about the current environment and the returns available, viewing the current dividend as appropriate.
  • Fed policy rates remain on hold with elevated short-term yields absorbing investor liquidity.
  • Markets have digested much of the initial shock with rates and spreads settling into stable ranges and volatility drifting lower.
  • Structural demand for MBS may improve later this year due to regulatory clarity and Fed easing policy resumption.
  • The debate around U.S. fiscal sustainability, Fed independence, and trade dynamics continues to weigh on the macro landscape.
  • 40% to 60% of MBS portfolio is financed through affiliate BUCKLER Securities with remaining repo balances spread across 15 to 20 counterparties.
  • ARMOUR's estimated net portfolio duration is 0.46 years and implied leverage is 8 turns.
  • Hedge book is balanced with about 33% in treasury shorts and futures, remainder in OIS and SOFR swaps.
  • MBS portfolio is concentrated in production MBS with ROEs in the 18% to 20% range.
  • MBS repo funding remains ample and competitively priced at around SOFR plus 15 to 17 basis points.
  • Portfolio is 100% invested in Agency MBS, Agency CMBS, and U.S. treasuries.
  • Portfolio is diversified across the 30-year coupon stack, Ginnie Mae's, and DUS with positive convexity and short duration attributes.
  • Portfolio MBS prepayment rates averaged 7.7 CPR in Q2 and are trending around 8.3 CPR in Q3.
  • TBA exposure is light at $300 million and used tactically for coupon positioning.
  • Total liquidity is strong at approximately 52% of total capital as of July 21.
  • ARMOUR's approach is to grow and deploy capital thoughtfully during spread dislocations, maintain robust liquidity, and dynamically adjust hedges for disciplined risk management.
  • Duration is managed dynamically with increased hedges in longer duration assets beyond the 10-year point.
  • Leverage is currently a little below the average over the last 6 to 12 months, with potential to modestly increase leverage given attractive spreads.
  • Management expects a Fed rate rally later this year or in the fall and positions the portfolio accordingly.
  • Management is confident in positioning, strategy, and ability to deliver value for shareholders.
  • Management monitors bank demand and regulatory developments closely as potential catalysts for increased MBS demand.
  • The 5-year treasury is a pivotal point for managing portfolio duration risk and hedging the Agency CMBS position.
  • The current environment offers attractive returns that meet or exceed the hurdle rate, with potential upside if spreads tighten or Fed policy normalizes.
  • 5-year treasuries serve as a hedge and proxy for Agency CMBS, which is tactically managed based on spread levels.
  • ARMOUR does not currently use swaptions but expresses volatility views through current coupon basis; duration gap is managed dynamically to avoid liquidity risk.
  • Bank demand remains a key factor; regulatory clarity and potential easing of capital frameworks could boost demand.
  • Hedge portfolio balances carry and total return, with about 33% DV01 in treasuries and remainder in interest rate swaps.
  • Leverage strategy is flexible, reflecting views on spreads, volatility, and liquidity; management is comfortable modestly increasing leverage as spreads remain wide and liquidity stabilizes.
  • On spread duration risk, ARMOUR manages leverage comfortably and dynamically adjusts duration hedges, recently increasing hedges beyond the 10-year point.
  • The portfolio favors 5.5 and 6 coupons as highest ROE coupons with benign prepayment environment; allocation to higher coupons declined due to April volatility.
  • Total expenses after fees waived were $14.3 million, slightly higher due to professional fees; hedge costs are accounted for separately in derivatives.
  • ARMOUR Capital Management waived $1.65 million of management fees in Q2, offsetting operating expenses.
  • ARMOUR's dividend payments are monthly at $0.24 per share, with upcoming dividends declared for July 30 and August 29, 2025.
  • Management emphasizes the importance of liquidity stability as a driver for leverage decisions.
  • MBS prepayment rates show no signs of material acceleration unless mortgage rates drop significantly.
  • Public rhetoric suggests eventual end to GSE conservatorship, but management views this as constructive yet not imminent.
  • Repo funding is competitively priced and ample, supporting financing needs.
  • The company uses an at-the-market offering program to raise capital, which has been mildly dilutive to book value.
  • The FHFA Director is implementing reforms to streamline GSEs with support for retaining implicit government guarantees.
  • Management remains optimistic about the outlook for Agency MBS and the potential for increased banking demand.
  • Management views the current environment as offering strong risk-to-reward incentives to own mortgage assets.
  • MBS to SOFR spreads have consolidated back towards average 2025 levels after widening 10 basis points quarter-over-quarter.
  • Mortgage rates near 6.75% have dampened refinancing activity and kept net mortgage supply muted.
  • Structural demand for MBS could improve with regulatory clarity and Fed easing, creating a constructive technical backdrop.
  • The macroeconomic environment is influenced by U.S. fiscal sustainability debates, Fed independence, and trade dynamics.
  • The portfolio's positive convexity and short duration attributes offer better value over comparable 15-year MBS pools.
Complete Transcript:
ARR:2025 - Q2
Operator:
Good morning, and welcome to ARMOUR Residential REIT's Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Scott Ulm. Please go ahead. Scott Je
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
Good morning, and welcome to ARMOUR Residential REIT's Second Quarter 2025 Conference Call. This morning, I'm joined by our CFO, Gordon Harper, as well as our co-CIOs, Sergey Losyev and Desmond Macauley. I'll now turn the call over to Gordon to run through the financial results. Gordon?
Gordon Mackay Harper:
Thanks, Scott. By now, everyone has access to ARMOUR's earnings release, which can be found on ARMOUR's website, www.armourreit.com. This conference call includes forward-looking statements who are intended to be subject to the safe harbor protection provided by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The Risk Factors section of ARMOUR's periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission describe certain factors beyond ARMOUR's control that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by these forward-looking statements. Those periodic filings can be found on the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. All of today's forward-looking statements are subject to change without notice. We disclaim any obligation to update them unless required by law. Also, today's discussion refer to certain non-GAAP measures. These measures are reconciled with comparable GAAP measures in our earnings release. An online replay of this conference call will be available on ARMOUR's website shortly and will continue for 1 year. ARMOUR's Q2 GAAP net loss related to common stockholders was $78.6 million or $0.94 per common share. Net interest income was $33.1 million. Distributable earnings available to common stockholders was $64.9 million or $0.77 per common share. This non-GAAP measure is defined as net interest income plus TBA drop income adjusted for interest income or expense on our interest rate swaps and futures contracts minus net operating expenses. ARMOUR Capital Management waived a portion of their management fees, waiving $1.65 million for the Q2, which offsets operating expenses. During Q2, ARMOUR raised approximately $104.6 million of capital by issuing approximately 6.3 million shares of common stock through an at-the-market offering program. Since June 30, we have raised approximately $58.8 million of capital by issuing approximately 3.5 million shares of common stock through an at-the-market offering program. We currently have outstanding 91.5 million common shares. ARMOUR paid monthly common stock dividends per share of $0.24 per common share per month for a total of $0.72 for the quarter. We aim to pay an attractive dividend that is appropriate in context and stable over the medium term. On July 30, 2025, a cash dividend of $0.24 per outstanding common share will be paid to holders of record on July 15, 2025. We have also declared a cash dividend of $0.24 per outstanding common share payable August 29 to the holders of record on August 15, 2025. Quarter ending book value was $16.90 per common share. Our estimate of book value as of Monday, July 21, was $16.81 per common share, reflective of the accrual of the July common dividend. I will now turn the call over to Chief Executive Officer, Scott Ulm, to discuss ARMOUR's portfolio position and current strategy.
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
Thanks, Gordon. Just a note to the team. I had a connectivity problem a second ago. So if I disappear, just continue with what we have to say here, but we should be just fine. Well, thanks all. As we entered the second half of 2025, the debate around U.S. fiscal sustainability, Fed independence and trade dynamics continues to weigh on the macro landscape. While we don't expect these issues to be resolved quickly, markets appear to have digested much of the initial shock as rates and spreads have settled into stable ranges and volatility has drifted lower. On the monetary policy front, incoming U.S. economic data indicates solid economic growth that's supportive of the Fed's wait-and-see approach. While Fed policy rates remain on hold, elevated short-term yields are absorbing investor liquidity. However, we believe that a resumption of the Fed cutting cycle this year should reignite the flow of liquidity into Agency MBS. Current coupon MBS spreads have retraced from April's historically distressed levels, supported by declining volatility. The MBS to SOFR spreads have consolidated back towards an average of the spread levels observed in 2025. They widened by approximately 10 basis points quarter- over-quarter and remain historically cheap. The 30-year fixed mortgage rate was near 6.75% through late June and early July, effectively dampening refinancing activity and keeping net mortgage supply muted. This tightening backdrop, while a challenge for borrowers, continues to create compelling opportunities for investors in high carry production Agency MBS. At the policy level, the U.S. housing finance system remains a central topic in D.C. The FHFA Director, Bill Pulte, has begun to implement reforms aimed at streamlining the GSEs, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, with administration officials signaling support for retaining an implicit government guarantee for the GSEs. While public rhetoric hints at an eventual need to end conserverthip, we view these developments as constructive yet not imminent. I'll now turn it over to Desmond for more detail on our portfolio. Desmond?
Desmond E. Macauley:
Thank you, Scott. ARMOUR's estimated net portfolio duration and implied leverage are closely managed at 0.46 years and 8 turns, respectively. Our total liquidity is strong at approximately 52% of the total capital as of July 21. Our hedge book reflects a balanced view of duration with a bias for further Fed easing. Hedges are composed of about 33% in treasury shorts and futures with the remainder in OIS and SOFR swaps as measured on a DVO1 basis. While SOFR swaps are cheaper hedges, treasuries have proven to be a more effective hedge instrument for mortgages as of late. ARMOUR is invested 100% in Agency MBS, Agency CMBS and U.S. treasuries. Our MBS portfolio remains concentrated in production MBS with ROEs in the 18% to 20% range. The portfolio remains well diversified across the 30-year coupon stack, Ginnie Mae's and in DUS whose positive convexity and short duration attributes offer better value over comparable 15-year MBS pools. Portfolio MBS prepayment rates have averaged 7.7 CPR in Q2 and are trending at around 8.3 CPR so far in Q3. We see no signs of material acceleration unless mortgage rates drop significantly. We continue to favor higher loan balance and credit specified pools with favorable convexity and prepayment profiles to TBA and generic collateral. Our TBA exposure is light at $300 million and remains a tactical tool to manage MBS coupon positioning. ARMOUR forms 40% to 60% of our MBS portfolio with our affiliate BUCKLER Securities, while spreading out the remaining repo balances across 15 to 20 other counterparties to provide ARMOUR with the best financing opportunities at an average gross haircut of 2.75%. Overall, MBS repo funding remains ample and competitively priced, ranging at around SOFR plus 15 to 17 basis points. We are increasingly optimistic that structural demand for MBS may improve later this year. Evolving regulatory clarity around banking reform and a resumption of the Fed easing policy could act as meaningful catalysts for increasing banking demand. This, combined with constrained mortgage supply, sets up a highly constructive technical backdrop for Agency MBS, while historically wide spreads signal strong risk to reward incentive to own mortgage assets. I'll turn it over back to you, Scott.
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
Thanks, Desmond. ARMOUR's approach remains unchanged: grow and deploy capital thoughtfully during spread dislocations, maintain robust liquidity and dynamically adjust hedges for disciplined risk management. We're confident in our positioning, strategy and ability to deliver value for shareholders. As you know, we determine our dividend based on a medium-term outlook. We view our current dividend as appropriate for this environment and the returns available. Thank you for joining today's call and your interest in ARMOUR. We're happy to now answer your questions.
Operator:
[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Doug Harter with UBS.
Douglas Michael Harter:
I was hoping you could just talk about your philosophy for managing spread duration risk as you go through a volatile period like you did in April and the second quarter in total and kind of just give us a little more on the thought process.
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
Yes. Doug. So on spread risk, I can start with just our leverage, which we are very comfortable with at this point. We think that spreads remain historically attractive. And for that reason, we could potentially look to even modestly increase our leverage here. Currently, we are around just a little bit below the average over the last 6 to 12 months, our own average over the last 6 to 12 months. In terms of duration, we manage it dynamically. We've recently increased our hedges in longer duration assets, longer duration beyond the 10-year point to adjust for what we saw in Q2 where there was steepness of the curve in 10-year maturities and beyond.
Operator:
The next question comes from the line of Trevor Cranston with JMP Securities.
Trevor John Cranston:
Looking at the portfolio data, it looks like the allocation to higher coupons like 6s and above declined during the second quarter. Can you guys just comment on where you're seeing the best value in the coupon stack and kind of where you guys are deploying marginal dollars as you raise capital?
Sergey Losyev:
Trevor, this is Sergey. Yes, so I think we might have talked about it on the last earnings call, there was a volatility during the first half of April. That is probably where the sizes might have been reduced. But overall, we remain favorable of 5.5 and 6 coupons. These are the highest ROE coupons that we are currently modeling. So with the prepayment environment remains very benign. This is -- remains our focal point for the portfolio. We don't really expect large changes near term.
Trevor John Cranston:
Got it. Okay. And I guess the other notable thing there was the -- there's the new line item for the long treasury position. Can you just comment on kind of the -- what the role of that is within the portfolio?
Sergey Losyev:
Yes. So as you know, we view 5-year point on the yield curve as a very important pivotal point for managing overall portfolio duration risk and just responding to the monetary policy and all across the yield curve. So 5-year treasury serves as part of that hedging strategy, but it also is used as a proxy for our Agency CMBS position. As we know, we hold slightly just below maybe 5% of our portfolio. And we are very tactical about that market. We tend to go in when spreads widen and reduce our allocations when we see spreads on the more richer side. And 5-year treasuries help us kind of hedge that position and be able to rotate among those asset classes.
Operator:
The next question comes from the line of Randy Binner with B. Riley.
Randy Binner:
I just have one on the model and total expenses after fees waived reported in the quarter was $14.3 million. That was just a little bit higher than what trend was and what we were looking for. Was there anything unusual in that line item this quarter or seasonal? Or is that a level we would expect going forward?
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
I wouldn't say it's a level we'd expect going forward. We had a bit more professional fees than we had probably in the first quarter, just on things that we were working on. So that -- as we explained in the 10-Q, some of that can just vary quarter-to-quarter, but not expecting sort of the same run rate on expenses.
Randy Binner:
And that's helpful. And then just to be, I guess, 100% clear, that line item, if you had higher hedge costs or volatility there because of interest rates moving around in April, that would be netted -- that would not be in that line item. That would be elsewhere, correct?
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
Yes. That's up in the derivatives.
Randy Binner:
Yes, got it. Okay.
Operator:
The next question comes from the line of Jason Stewart with Janney.
Jason Michael Stewart:
Just big picture, as you think about constructing the hedge portfolio and the coupon stack, how do you balance total return versus carry as we start to see some of these dislocations in swaps versus treasuries?
Desmond E. Macauley:
Jason, so in terms of our portfolio, on the hedge side, we mentioned our duration. We are positioned for a bullish steepener, and we adjust our hedges appropriately. And it's pretty dynamic. It's our view of the macroeconomic environment. We like to stay diversified across the coupon stack. The lower coupons would benefit if we do see rate rally. We expect that a rally could take place when the Fed resumes normalization. -- which we are expecting later on this year to the fall -- in the fall or later. The higher coupons could benefit in a steepener where in any steepness scenario, the CPRs, projected CPRs could be slower and those could benefit the higher coupons. We're looking to reinvest muscle in production coupon 5.5 and 6s. These are specified pools. They have the prepayment characteristics that we talked about in our prepared remarks. And that is supposed to improve the overall convexity of our portfolio. And last, of course, we also have those securities with even positive convexity. So best to stay diversified across the coupon stack, and looking to add more in production coupons in terms of reinvesting paydowns and also reinvesting any equity capital raises.
Sergey Losyev:
Yes. And just to add on the hedge book side, Desmond mentioned, on DV01 basis, we're about 33% in treasuries. On a notional basis, it's closer to 20-80. We still like to use interest rate swaps as the main hedge instrument. It's a cheaper hedge. Obviously, from a total return, treasuries have been a more effective hedge as of late. So we're keeping this -- the balance of the hedge book right where we feel like it provides both the carry and the total return opportunity from both sides.
Jason Michael Stewart:
Okay. So does the 18% to 20% range keep the hedge book with the same composition that you have right now in 20-80 notional?
Desmond E. Macauley:
So 18% to 20% would be for like our production coupon 5.5 and 6s. In terms of -- that would -- if you look at it from a total return perspective, then it -- the hedge -- like if we use swap hedges and we run swap hedges to forwards, the total return would be roughly 0 in that case. So a 20% return on production coupons, it's pretty much -- doesn't matter whether we use swaps or treasury futures. So in that framework, 18% to 20%, I should also point that, that's in the base case, right? We think spreads are really attractive at this point. So if we take, for example, we see a 10 basis points tightening in OAS, that can add another 4% to that number. And also keep in mind as well that the repo rate has been stable throughout the entire year. The Fed has not cut this year. If we do see resumption in normalization, we can expect even in the base case for those returns to look even more attractive. But as it is right now, they are more attractive. They either meet or exceed our hurdle rate. And that's one of the reason that we are very optimistic about our current environment.
Jason Michael Stewart:
Okay. That's helpful color. And then just on the ATM program quarter-to-date in 3Q, could you give us an idea of how that was raised relative to book and where book was today?
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
I don't have book value for you as of today, but book is, as we said, was $16.81 as of Monday. And the issuances were just mildly dilutive, just a couple of cents per share.
Operator:
The next question comes from the line of Matthew Erdner with Jones Trading.
Matthew Erdner:
Just a quick one for me. You guys talked on leverage a little bit with it running back up quarter-to-date, still below those historical levels. What exactly are you looking for to take leverage up? Is it more clarity from the Fed? Is it kind of a little more stability on the long end of the curve? I would just like your thoughts there.
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
Go ahead, Desmond.
Desmond E. Macauley:
Okay. So first, I should just -- our leverage strategy is -- it's very flexible. And it's designed to reflect our view on the attractiveness of spreads our view on market volatility and just where we want our liquidity to be. So we took our leverage down tactically quarter-to- date. Our spreads are tightening locally, and we saw volatility also come up significantly since early April. So in addition, there were swirling headlines around Fed independence and those headlines have now subsided. So given that spreads are still near historically wide levels and liquidity conditions are now stable, we are comfortable modestly increasing our leverage from where we are. So does that answer your question?
Matthew Erdner:
Yes, a little bit. But I guess going forward over the next 3 months, when you guys are expecting the Fed cut, are you going to put leverage on in front of that as you go into that event kind of thing?
Desmond E. Macauley:
We are optimistic...
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
Yes, I'd just say we think about all this stuff and -- but are generally not in the -- try not to be in the business of putting big bets on. What's behind your question is exactly right. It's a view that there's more stability across all the axes that we look at. And to the degree that -- and of course, that's a reflection of how stable we feel liquidity is going to be, which is really the driver behind what leverage you're comfortable with. And we'll react accordingly. I think you can probably expect us not to take a big bet. But as you see elements of greater stability come into the market across those axes, there may well be a pretty good case for going up a little bit. Remember, historically, leverage in this sort of business model, if you go back decades, was a lot higher. And generally, people have been keeping their head down, which has served everybody pretty well, frankly. But less volatility, more stability means that the model can take a little more leverage. Sorry, go ahead.
Sergey Losyev:
Just -- and as a catalyst, of course, the big elephant in the room is bank demand so far year-to-date, and it has probably disappointed most industry investors, and we are closely watching developments on the regulation front. Just yesterday, there was the first Fed capital framework conference that a lot of color came out of that industry-wide participants are looking to speed up and agree that currently capital framework is too confusing, too stringent. Banks are sitting on record excess capital. So we feel like it's just a -- it's a question of if not when we start to see greater participation from the banks, and this will be the tailwind that we outlined in our script as well.
Matthew Erdner:
Yes, I definitely agree. Yes.
Operator:
The next question comes from the line of Eric Hagen with BTIG.
Eric J. Hagen:
Sticking on this conversation around hedging. I mean, do you think there's any value at this point in hedging the short end of the yield curve? I mean how attractive do you think it is to buy swaptions at this point, just considering volatility has come down a little bit?
Sergey Losyev:
Eric, yes. So I mean, look, the 2-year yield has been extremely stable over the last year. Obviously, the talk of hikes are not on the table at this point. But we express that in our bull steepener bias of our yield curve hedging. Whatever front-end hedges we have on, they're there for kind of the risk management to express that exposure. We currently don't play in the swaptions market. We always evaluate it. But from where mortgages are trading and how wide the spreads are, we feel like that the better trade-off is to express the view on volatility through the current coupon basis, for example.
Eric J. Hagen:
Yes. That's helpful. I mean maybe continuing on that theme, I mean, you guys offer good information and color on your duration gap. I mean just looking at these current coupons specifically, do you maybe have an estimate for what your duration gap would extend to if mortgage rates backed up, let's call it, like 50 basis points. And in that extension scenario, would you be more likely at this point to let your leverage run a little higher? Or would you look to sell assets in that scenario?
Sergey Losyev:
Yes, that's a good question. We obviously run risk stress test scenarios. We can get some numbers for you. And do you mean selloff on the long end or on the front end since that was the initial question?
Eric J. Hagen:
Yes, maybe more on the long end, right, like that curve steepener you guys are positioned for.
Sergey Losyev:
Yes. I think -- look, I think we hedge our current exposure on a dynamic basis. We don't -- we're not going to let duration extend over certain levels where we feel like would require a rebalancing of duration. So from that standpoint, we stay very disciplined. And our risk metrics in the shock scenarios don't pose any large extension beyond which liquidity would be compromised.
Operator:
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Scott Ulm for any closing remarks.
Scott Jeffrey Ulm:
Thanks for joining us this morning. Please feel free to give us a ring at the office. Happy to catch up if other things occur as you're thinking about what's going on in mortgage land. Thank you for joining us this morning, and good morning to you.
Operator:
The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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